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Re: Two articles of interest

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Michael Biel <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 26 Feb 2011 23:13:52 -0500

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On 2/26/2011 10:06 PM, Roger Kulp wrote:
> I personally only want rare,and obscure stuff for my owen collection,and I only sell very nice stuff.Thew bargains that were out there on eBay in 200-2008 are history.I too,got a lot of tripl;e digit records for peanuts.No more,prices are going through the roof,and brick and mortar stores can get away withh selling good records at double eBay prices.
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> Roger
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I've been seeing these vinyl comeback stories for three years now, and I 
don't know why you all are making such a big deal about these all of a 
sudden.  I'm not really looking for rock, so I haven't noticed what you 
see in the influence of new rock vinyl on the prices of used rock 
vinyl.  Some of the unusual LPs I look for have always had either high 
or low prices -- and I usually just keep looking for the low ones.  
Having tens of thousands of LPs means I already have a lot of what 
others are still looking for, but I am still seeing cheap prices. Maybe 
I know where to look?

Were prices lower a few years ago.  I do have an example.  I do admit 
that my daughter and I were spoiled when Footlights closed their store 
and had a long sale the summer of 2007 and kept on bringing out more and 
more from the back rooms that had $25+ prices but went for 50 cents near 
the end.  We kept on going back and filling the van up.  We bought 
between 500 and 1000 lps that summer from them.  It's almost hard to 
look at shows or soundtracks at more than 50 cents anymore cause we got 
so many good ones then.  But in the past year I am still finding plenty 
of stuff for a buck -- I usually find more interesting things in the 
bargain bins -- and same with 78s.

Mike Biel   [log in to unmask]

> --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Aaron Levinson<[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>
> From: Aaron Levinson<[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Two articles of interest
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 1:26 PM
>
> As someone that is pretty heavily involved in the vinyl trade these days I'd have to concur on all points. The market for most
> used vinyl tanked in the midst of the meltdown and I personally used that dip to pick up things that were otherwise out of reach for a little pisher like me. It was quite a boon for collectors and I've seen things rebound quite nicely. The one note that Tom did not mention that I learned from the 78 oracle John Tefteller was that really blue chip items (Skip James, Robert Johnson, rare jug band stuff etc) actually rose in price over the crash as they were seen as true "investment grade" items that would only increase in value.
>
> I am really glad "the kids" are rediscovering vinyl in large numbers and as someone the is a college teacher I have seen a huge increase of interest. Not only is it sonically a major step up from a low grade MP3 file I think that the ritualistic aspect of playing records makes people more involved in the listening process itself and that in turn makes them value the music itself more, a virtuous circle. These young vinyl folks they seem to treat all music as far more than audio wallpaper for playing video games unlike their digital peers...
>
> I always encourage them to obtain better playback gear and they are uniformly amazed at how much better everything sounds through a superior system. The vinyl market is here to stay and someone will make a fortune providing a fair priced and aesthetically pleasing audio component system for this new generation.
>
> Now if we could only get them to actually clean things...
>
> AA
>
>
> On 2/26/11 2:24 PM, Tom Fine wrote:
>> Regarding the USA Today article ...
>>
>> My observation over the past 2 years is that vinyl has moved from a fad to a long-term niche industry. I think there will be a constant flow of few-numbers/high-margin new vinyl releases, especially from certain types of musicans and certain smaller (and some larger) labels. The vinyl copies I've bought here and there aren't usually better-sounding than the CD's, but the artwork is always better and most of them don't sound much worse than the CD (there's one pressing plant, the one in Tennessee, that doesn't do good pressing, and alas a lot of indie labels use it).
>>
>> All this activity in new vinyl is definitely driving up prices for used vinyl if you want really nice condition and pressings. There are still plenty of mass-market 70's and 80's disks to be had for a dollar or two, some in superb condition if you look carefully, but what was in the $5-8 range a few years ago is in the $10-15 range nowadays as far as better pressings and more rare titles. I've also seen the return of dozens- or hundreds-dollar prices on the audiophile favorites from the "Golden Era."
>>
>> In my own case, I've found I've replaced in recent years records that I gave away when decent-sounding CD versions came out in the early 90's. My old records were played out, so I don't regret this, but I never though I'd own the nice 12" sleeve art again. All of this has been from good dollar-bin $5 shelf trolling and eBay, so it's been a minor investment.
>>
>> Bottom line, I think the used vinyl market hit bottom a year or so ago and is rising and will continue to rise, within reason. And the new vinyl market is here to stay. I do find it amusing to hear some of "the kids" raving about vinyl and then find out about the junkola equipment they use to play it. First of all, unfortunately, it probably does sound better than 128kbps MP3 streamed thru their phones, but their low-grade phonographs are ruining their $50 records as quickly as they take them out of the sleeves without cleaning them. So the old vinyl problem of quick wear-out in the hands of the average consumer is still ever thus.
>>
>> -- Tom Fine
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott D. Smith"<[log in to unmask]>
>> To:<[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 1:25 PM
>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Two articles of interest
>>
>>
>>> Here are two recent articles I thought might be of interest to those involved in analog and vinyl:
>>>
>>>  From yesterday's USA Today:
>>> http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2011-02-25-vinyl25_ST_N.htm#
>>>
>>>  From today's Wall Street Journal:
>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703529004576160300649048270.html?mod=WSJ_LifeStyle_Lifestyle_6
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott D. Smith
>>> Chicago Audio Works, Inc.
>>>
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