LISTSERV mailing list manager LISTSERV 16.0

Help for ARSCLIST Archives


ARSCLIST Archives

ARSCLIST Archives


[email protected]


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

ARSCLIST Home

ARSCLIST Home

ARSCLIST  February 2011

ARSCLIST February 2011

Subject:

Philips US LPs facts

From:

Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 2 Feb 2011 18:03:28 -0500

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (114 lines)

There's a lot of misinformation on the web, and sometimes there's misinterpretation of correct 
information.

Just to set the record straight, Mercury made a FEW recordings for Philips, in one series of 
sessions in July 1961. These were released in the U.S. as:

PHS 900 000 Richter/Kondrashin/LSO - Liszt Concertos (recorded on 35MM mag-film and mastered to LP 
in the U.S. and later to Philips Solo series CD directly from the 3-track film master)

I don't have the PHS catalog numbers handy here, but the following albums were also recorded by 
Mercury at Walthamstow Town Hall near London, in July 1961, all recorded on 3-track magnetic tape:

Charles Mackerras/LSO - "Kaleidoscope", and there was a second Philips LP that included some extra 
material. Everything recorded at that session was released on Mercury Living Presence CD in the 90s, 
remastered from the original 3-track tapes.

Vishnevskaya/Rostropovitch - "Russian Song Recital". I do not have details on any CD reissues of 
this. This session was produced by Harold Lawrence.

Richter/Rostropovich - Beethoven Cello/Piano Sonata, Op. 69 - this was issued as part of a double LP 
that includes other Opuses recorded elsewhere by Philips. The entire Beethoven Cello/Piano cycle was 
eventually recorded and reissued as a 2-CD Duo series set by Philips. This session was produced by 
Harold Lawrence.

NO OTHER PHILIPS RECORDS were recorded by the Mercury Living Presence team. However, Harold Lawrence 
did produce some Philips records, including the highly-acclaimed Handel "Messiah" done by Colin 
Davis/LSO/etc. That recording, and some others, were made using Philips' version of the Mercury 
3-microphone technique, which they called "M3". This was detailed in an AES presentation by former 
Philips engineer Hans Lauterslager.

Philips' US-manufactured classical records were mastered at Fine Recording by George Piros and John 
Johnson and pressed at the Mercury plant in Richmond IN. Philips stopped manufacturing their 
classical albums for the US market in the US by the late 60's. I gotta say, I own several of them, 
and those Mercury Richmond pressings are no great shakes. You do better finding the original Dutch 
version, especially from the mid-60's onward. One exception would be the Richter/Liszt only because 
the European cuts were made from a 2-track tape cutting master made when the original US LP was cut 
"live" from the 3-2 mix.

In most cases, the bargain-priced Philips Solo and Duo CD sounds better than any of the LPs, to my 
ears. Finally, much of the Philips catalog from the early stereo era ended up on CD reissues, and a 
lot of it in the Duo series. Especially in the case of material that was only released on LP in the 
in the US as part of the awful cheapo World Series (think Mercury Wing level of cheap), this was a 
huge blessing.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Kulp" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] curious as to why the high value?


And what,IMO,are extremely UNDERvalued,for both their sound,and their rarity,are the early 
stampers,especially the white label promotional ones of the US pressed Philips Lps,mastered by Wilma 
Cozart-Fine,whi I assume did all of them,not just the Richters,she is credited with.
http://www.soundfountain.com/amb/mercury.html
Philips is about 60% down the page.

Also expensive are the HiFi Stereo pressings of the Bruno Walter Lps.
Here are a few

http://www.popsike.com/BRUNO-WALTER-9-SYMPHONIES-in-STEREO-PHILIPS-HIFI-STE/200068989021.html
http://www.popsike.com/Beethoven-Bruno-Walter-The-Nine-Symphonies-Philips-TAS/260634249584.html
http://www.popsike.com/Bruno-Walter-Philips-HiFi-Stereo-835-542-very-rare/160444388460.html


The sound on these is a revalation,when you are used to the US pressings,even the 6-eye stereos,that 
are pretty good in their own way.I have yet to shell out the money for the Walters on Philips,but if 
the Leonard Bernstein HiFi Stereos I was able to buy a few years ago,at under $5.00 each,these have 
been creeping up since,the sonics alone make them worth the money.

Roger





--- On Thu, 1/27/11, Eric Nagamine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Eric Nagamine <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] curious as to why the high value?
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 11:39 PM

Tom Fine wrote:
>
http://www.goldminemag.com/features/double-mortgage-anyone-125000-lot-hits-o
ur-market-watch-countdown
>
> why would those Philips LPs of David Oistrakh and Lev Oborin go for
> so much? Was that a freak eBay sale? That material was reissued as a
> nicely-packaged good-sounding CD set. The original sound quality
> wasn't knock your socks off, although it was typical Philips high
> quality. The performances remain highly rated by some critics. But,
> if a CD set is available, why are the original LPs worth thousands of
> dollars? Could this have been a Philips completist buyer who got in a
> bidding war?
>
> -- Tom Fine

If it's a early 60's(?)Dutch pressed "HIFI STEREO" purple label disc, then
they do have a cachet among collectors, though I've never seen the prices
that high. Mostly in the $50 to $100 range per disc. Perhaps the set
packaging was rare in those pressings? Were these originally recorded by
the Mercury team for Philips like the Richter/Liszt Piano concerti disc?
Those seem to have more value because of who did the recording, than the
performance it self.

-----------
Aloha and Mahalo,

Eric Nagamine

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

Advanced Options


Options

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password


Search Archives

Search Archives


Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe


Archives

June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004
September 2004
August 2004
July 2004
June 2004
May 2004
April 2004
March 2004
February 2004
January 2004
December 2003
November 2003
October 2003
September 2003
August 2003
July 2003
June 2003
May 2003
April 2003
March 2003
February 2003
January 2003

ATOM RSS1 RSS2



LISTSERV.LOC.GOV

CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager