Tom very nice. I'm impressed with the videos from AAV and that your dad
was so heavily involved there. He was riding the AV wave back then.
On 8/7/2012 7:45 AM, Tom Fine wrote:
> This is a very interesting YouTube channel.
> This one seems to be a film of a multi-screen slide/film show.
> That's one (primative) way of preserving it as it was presented.
> I too remember "The New York Experience," I think I was pre-teen when
> we saw that.
> My father was involved in a few of these productions. He did sound
> design and mixing for several of the large-scale things at the 1964-65
> World's Fair and also Expo67. I think some of them involved multiple
> film and still image elements. He also did the sound design and mix
> for the interactive multimedia Ford's Theatre "historical drama" thing
> in the 70's (I have an opening night program somewhere but don't
> recall going to it as a little kid).
> Here's another YouTube:
> this is a promo film made for the Armstrong Audio-Video complex in
> Melbourne, Australia, circa 1974. My father designed it, oversaw
> construction and ran it for the first year. Note the extensive
> multi-media facilities. This was when color TV was new to Australia,
> so the facility was state of the art then. Apparently, musician Brian
> Cadd was popular down under back then.
> Here's another look at AAV, the video montage from the grand opening
> this one features heavy use of the Rutt-Etra video synthesizer, which
> was a new toy back then.
> By the way, can anyone positively identify the recording console and
> 24-track tape machine types? That's an Ampex AG-440B 4-track in the
> small production studio.
> Back squarely on-topic, AAV was involved in many of the typical
> mid-70's corporate and entertainment multi-media productions. I think
> that era was pretty much the heyday of that sort of thing, worldwide.
> -- Tom Fine
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schroth"
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> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 1:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] archiving slide-tape shows (was voca-film
>> Hi Mike:
>> No, Unfortunately the Eastman House is not doing anything regarding
>> archiving these types of programs. I think for several very
>> understandable reasons:
>> A huge percentage of these programs were proprietary - used for huge
>> sales meetings and trade shows to release new product lines to sales
>> people within the company or distributors. Like Apple releasing the
>> first Macintosh with a program called "Blue Busters" (a takeoff on
>> Ghost Busters - Apple busting "Big Blue" aka IBM), or Saab releasing
>> the new (back then) 900 line, titled "Saab 900". Since many of the
>> really big budget shows were for corporate presentation, it would be
>> tough to get companies to release these privately owned programs.
>> How many people are really interested in preserving them? I for one
>> would be, but I'm in the small minority. There is not a lot of money
>> to be recouped from trying to preserve a multi-image slide
>> presentation. The funds at many institutions are very tight. When
>> money does become available it is most often used for preservation of
>> high-brow or more well-known media that a large percentage or people
>> can identify with, know about, and would be interested in helping to
>> support, or paying money to see, or is viewed by people as a more
>> valuable or important asset.
>> How do you recreate a multi-image program digitally and project it
>> with the same effect, the look would really not be the same. Also,
>> part of the wonder of watching a multi-image slide presentation is
>> watching all those projectors firing away, hearing the clicking of
>> the advancing slides and just shaking your head thinking how mad it
>> was that it even worked.
>> The few programs of note that would be worth taking a stab at
>> resurrecting and preserving are in rough shape. I've talked to many
>> of the old "well known" producers and owners of the past large
>> production companies. The few shows they have kept are stored in
>> garages and old warehouses. Mothballed away because they were so
>> significant at the time and cost so much to produce that the people
>> who produced them, loved them, and could not see throwing them out.
>> But in most cases they did not store them properly. Fading and mold
>> would be just a couple of the issues facing poorly stored slides.
>> Richard mentions "The New York Experience". I remember seeing this
>> program with my dad, then going back to see the projectors all firing
>> away and watched in wonder. My dad was with Kodak for 35 years in the
>> motion picture/audiovisual division and worked with people who
>> produced such programs. Also Richard mentioned some great
>> presentations used at National Parks. Kodak also produced many
>> widescreen multi-image programs that were glorious wonders of
>> photography and took you all over the world. These were used as
>> promotional image pieces and toured the globe helping to promote
>> Kodak. Donna Lawrence productions produced an amazing 360 degree
>> slide presentation that ran as a fixed display for the Kentucky Derby
>> at Churchill Downs. There was even a 24 projector show that ran as a
>> fixed display on the Queen Elizabeth II (I have one of the slide
>> projectors taken from the ship before the Cunard line retired her).
>> All of these are noteworthy and would be worth preservation, but they
>> were either fixed displays or touring displays. Even if a working
>> copy was available, the slides got to a point of being so faded that
>> they would be hard to bring back to their former full-color glory
>> without a lot of work. And I wonder how many surviving audio tapes
>> used to run the programs would have been in even decent shape.
>> AMI - the Association for Multi-Image, which I was a member of for
>> many years before it went defunct, had a national competition every
>> year. Shows from all over the world were submitted. Any shows that
>> won awards had Ariel Image transfers made of them to share with
>> anyone in the AMI community who wanted to rent them out. This would
>> be worth investigating to see who were the leaders of the
>> organization prior to closing up shop, and who had the tape masters
>> of the shows. Could they be had and if so, make arrangements to get
>> them converted to digital format. At least the stories and the
>> content could be saved. Several years back at my 25th reunion, there
>> was talk of doing just that, but everyone got busy and nothing became
>> of it. I'd still think I'd like to pursue this and should. I'm glad
>> this posting came about so that I can again put this up a front burner.
>> As a side note, many of these shows could be classified as moving
>> image presentations. Many times we used a fat back that held a large
>> roll of 35mm slide film on a Nikon 35mm still camera with a motor
>> drive, to shoot moving image sequences. When you cycle these
>> sequences these through 15 or more slide projectors - the likeness of
>> motion picture film movement is close, with a different effect, but
>> still amazing (and much cheaper than hiring a film crew and the
>> I have a collection of these shows that I will post on Vimeo sometime
>> in the next week or so for anyone that is interested. They were
>> originally mastered on 1", then dubbed down to 3/4"-U. Copies were
>> made and sent out on 3/4"-U dubs. I quickly copied these to VHS
>> whenever they came in - so the quality is far from perfect, but it
>> gives you at least an idea of how neat these shows really were.
>> Kind Regards,
>> John Schroth
>> Media Transfer Service, LLC
>> On 8/6/2012 1:39 PM, Michael Biel wrote:
>>> From: John Schroth <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> I majored in Multi-image slide presentation at RIT over 25 years ago.
>>>> They had a core-curriculum in Multi-Image slide production, the
>>>> only one
>>>> like it in country at the time.
>>> Wow! In this thread we have really hit on a nearly forgotten format
>>> archiving, and your info and expertise is valuable. Is Eastman House
>>> doing anything on this? I think this topic is worthy of an ARSC
>>> Conference presentation -- not sure if the Moving Image organizations
>>> are interested in these non-moving image presentations. I remember the
>>> ones I've seen being very impressive -- but every time a movie was
>>> inserted, the combination of the noticeably lower resolution and the
>>> disruption of looking at lengthy-held still images reduced the effect.
>>> These programs could be reproduced with the superior HDTV projection
>>> available, using multiple projectors and screens of course. There
>>> should be an effort to do it NOW while we still have people like you
>>> that remember the equipment and programming so it can be converted to
>>> computer controlling.
>>> Mike Biel [log in to unmask]
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