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Re: Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings

From:

Tim Gillett <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 9 Dec 2017 22:44:03 +0800

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Here is the Mario Del Monaco YT link referred to. Certainly hope the 
remastered edition -regardless of consumer  format - doesnt sound anything 
as bad this.
https://youtu.be/WwhBjUOBzv0

Rgds
Tim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Gillett" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings


> No,  a few YT samples. Unfortunately the Amazon page has no audio file 
> examples. I have just noticed  the uploader's notes speak of "Audio 
> rimasterizzato in HQ". Whether that means it derives from the PABY release 
> or that the uploader has done his own  "HQ remastering" seems  unclear. 
> Even so, lower resolution formats such as 44/16 or even a good 
> professionally made mp3 do not need to add dynamics compression  and even 
> for YouTube that level of dynamics compression is quite unnecessary IMO. 
> At least not for the format's sake.
>
> Rgds
> Tim
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eric Nagamine" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings
>
>
>> Are you talking specifically about the Pure Audio Blu-Ray issue?
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Eric Nagamine
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Gillett
>> Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 12:15 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings
>>
>> I've listened to a few of the early Del Monaco Decca tracks and to my 
>> ears
>> they are dreadfully presented. A big trebly peak around 8kHz, but  worse,
>> huge dynamics compression/limiting making everything "loud". Tiring to
>> listen to.  Amateurish job IMO  regardless of the end user format.
>>
>> Rgds
>> Tim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "BURNHAM" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings
>>
>>
>> I've always felt that increasing the bit depth adds so much more quality 
>> to
>> the sound than increasing the sample rate. Going from 16 bit to 24 bit
>> eliminates any audible quantization distortion and allows one to leave a 
>> few
>>
>> dB of headroom without losing anything.
>>
>> db
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 2:48 AM, Corey Bailey <[log in to unmask]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Gary,
>>>
>>> We may have been talking apples & oranges. When I referred to some of 
>>> the
>>> major studios re-purposing Std. Def audio for Blu-Ray, I was referring 
>>> to
>>> movies & TV series. Basically, audio for picture. I know that the 24/48K
>>> standard hasn't changed, even for current titles so the audio for 
>>> picture
>>> should be 24/48K. The DVD departments that I worked in did not produce 
>>> any
>>
>>> DVD-A or Blu-Ray audio only discs. BTW, the 24/48K standard was adopted 
>>> by
>>
>>> the industry after listening tests were conducted by the major studios
>>> that participated in the study. One interesting discovery was that a
>>> change in bit depth was more noticeable to the test subjects than an
>>> increase in sample rate. It's also worth noting that today's music score
>>> that is delivered to the dub stage has often been recorded at a higher
>>> sample rate. I'm guessing that the original music stem is what is used 
>>> for
>>
>>> today's audio only DVD's.
>>>
>>> That's my story and I'm sticking to it!  ;-)
>>>
>>> Corey
>>>
>>> Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
>>> www.baileyzone.net
>>>
>>>> On 12/8/2017 3:04 PM, Gary A. Galo wrote:
>>>> Hi Corey,
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that it specifically says, on the covers, that they're
>>>> Pure Audio Blu-ray at 24-bit/192 kHz. Here's the link to the series on
>>>> the Almaraz web site (they're the Mexican dealer that ships to the US):
>>>>
>>>> https://www.almarazrecords.com/collections/theanaloggoldenage
>>>>
>>>> Scroll down to the 5th row to find the Blu-ray discs. Discs that follow
>>>> the Pure Audio specifications must be PCM, so they will play on any
>>>> Blu-ray player. Those discs may also contain Dolby or DTS programs, but
>>>> the Pure Audio portion is high-res PCM. If there really isn't any
>>>> high-res PCM program on these discs, then calling them Pure Audio 
>>>> 24/192
>>>> is false advertising. If transfer, restoration and editing is done at
>>>> 192/24, and the finished product is converted to DTS HD at 48 kHz, a
>>>> manufacturer can't call it Pure Audio Blu-ray. More info on the Pure
>>>> Audio format can be found here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pureaudio-bluray.com/
>>>>
>>>> None of the color buttons, which Pure Audio uses to change formats,
>>>> function on these discs, and the Audio format button on my Oppo remote
>>>> controls only brings up "1/1 DTS HD" on my TV screen. The "1/1" means 1
>>>> of 1 - there are no other choices.
>>>>
>>>> I've emailed the Pure Audio folks about this to see what they have to
>>>> say.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____________________________
>>>>
>>>> Gary Galo
>>>> Audio Engineer Emeritus
>>>> The Crane School of Music
>>>> SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676
>>>>
>>>> "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener."
>>>> Arnold Schoenberg
>>>>
>>>> "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed."
>>>> Igor Markevitch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Corey Bailey
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 5:13 PM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Universal Mexico Decca Remasterings
>>>>
>>>> Hi Gary,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not surprised. 48K/24Bit is the film industry standard. As one who
>>>> edited and mastered DVDs for a few of the major film studios, I can 
>>>> tell
>>>> you that while the video was generally remastered to a Hi-Def format, 
>>>> the
>>
>>>> audio (at least, for the couple of hundred feature film titles and TV
>>>> shows that I worked on) was re-purposed from Std. Def DVD files. I 
>>>> would
>>>> expect that DVD-A is no different, weather it is mastered with DTS
>>>> encoding or Dolby AC3.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Corey
>>>>
>>>> Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
>>>> www.baileyzone.net
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/8/2017 11:22 AM, Gary A. Galo wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone know anything about the Decca Analog Golden Era recordings
>>>>> that are being issued by Universal Mexico? I just got the four Blu-ray
>>>>> discs of the Del Monaco operas. Despite the claim that these are
>>>>> PureAudio Blu-ray discs at 192 kHz/24-bit, the only program I can find
>>>>> on my Oppo UDP-205 or my wife's BDP-93 is DTS HD at 48 kHz/24-bit. 
>>>>> Have
>>>>> you heard anything about these? I'm wondering if I am the only one who
>>>>> noticed. The reviewers in Fanfare all seem to have only the CD 
>>>>> versions
>>>>> of these remasterings, not the Blu-rays.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems very strange that these are coming out of Mexico only. The
>>>>> booklets say that the actual tape-to digital transfers were done at
>>>>> Abbey Road Studios, which I also find strange. I thought all the Decca
>>>>> tapes were in Hanover.
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on sampling these last night, I will say that even at 48 kHz, 
>>>>> the
>>>>> sound is superb - better than anything Decca has issued here of this
>>>>> material. Strangely, I have found a lot of the Decca Originals
>>>>> remasterings to be very bright on top, including the Karajan Otello 
>>>>> and
>>>>> the Solti Salome and Elektra. Regarding Salome and Elektra, the 
>>>>> Blu-ray
>>>>> editions are just as bright as the two previous CD releases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> ____________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary Galo
>>>>> Audio Engineer Emeritus
>>>>> The Crane School of Music
>>>>> SUNY at Potsdam, NY 13676
>>>>>
>>>>> "Great art presupposes the alert mind of the educated listener."
>>>>> Arnold Schoenberg
>>>>>
>>>>> "A true artist doesn't want to be admired, he wants to be believed."
>>>>> Igor Markevitch
>>
>>
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