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Re: Sound Forge issues

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Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>

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Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:07:05 -0500

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OOPS -- I meant my double-negative to say:

None of this is meant to say that 5" optical discs AREN'T headed toward the scrapyard of history, 
but I don't think it will be a sudden abandonment of the technology.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Fine" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound Forge issues


> Backing up Jim's points -- CD's still far outsell legitimate downloads as far as numbers and 
> definitely as far as dollars. They're losing ground at a rapid pace, but they are still the 
> mainstream release medium. Again, not for much longer according to just about every projection 
> I've seen, but definitely so for now. With the huge installed base of CD and DVD media, I can see 
> enough demand for players/optical drives being made for years, maybe a decade plus.
>
> Also, every institutional/archival client I've had wants gold CDR backups of everything, so there 
> will be a huge installed base in the archival world for a long time to come.
>
> None of this is meant to say that 5" optical discs are headed toward the scrapyard of history, but 
> I don't think it will be a sudden abandonment of the technology.
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Lindner" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sound Forge issues
>
>
> Factually -
>
> Moore's law has nothing to do with storage - it has to do with the density of transistors on an 
> integrated circuit approximately doubling every 12 months.
>
> The main reason that CRT's were taken out of production initially was due to the RoHS (Restriction 
> of Hazardous Substances) directive in manufacturing in Europe effectively banning 6 hazardous 
> substances used in electronics equipment manufacturing (there is lots of lead in CRT glass). The 
> factories for CRT manufacture had been set up quite some time ago world wide and maintaining them 
> would have been far more profitable then retooling for LCD and Plasma production. Almost all the 
> manufacturers in that business wrote off huge amounts of money due to the switch over. It would 
> have made far more sense financially to continue using factories that had already been built and 
> depreciated to continue to produce product that was extremely profitable due to decades of 
> perfecting the manufacturing process and reducing the cost of manufacture. That simply was not an 
> option. While one could certainly suggest that the switch over to LCD/Plasma would have caused the 
> change anyway, the timetable was definitely not up to the manufacturers of CRT's - indeed most of 
> them are still loosing money in the flat screen business and many have exited the manufacture of 
> them or now simply have product badged for them or do some rudimentary assembly of units. The 
> manufacture of the LCD panels themselves has moved for the most part to different players in the 
> industry who may not have even been large players in CRT manufacturing.  The move to LCD was a 
> major financial stumble for several of the companies who formerly were in the CRT business.
>
> I have read no press releases or news articles stating that optical media players are about to go 
> out of production. There certainly are the usual evolutions of models and capacities and media 
> types, but out of production is not something that has actually happened or seems to be on the 
> near horizon. Remember that optical media players have several markets that make production 
> numbers very substantially larger then audio home entertainment applications alone. Video Game and 
> Computer marketplaces are still very big users of these products and likely will continue to be 
> for some time. Again, manufacturing economies of scale allow units to be cheaper so that they may 
> be included into a variety of systems reducing item cost and increasing profit for the 
> manufacturer who has made the rather large capital investment required to produce these devices in 
> the first place. It is makes far more financial sense for manufacturers to continue existing 
> manufacturing lines then to retool or discontinue them.
>
>
>
> Jim Lindner
>
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>
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>
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>
> www.media-matters.net
> Media Matters LLC. is a technical consultancy specializing in archival audio and video material. 
> We provide advice and analysis, to media archives that apply the beneficial advances in technology 
> to collection management.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Bob Olhsson wrote:
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From Tom Fine:
>>> PS -- I'm a big advocate of standardizing on 88.2/24 as the archival
>>> transfer format due to the very
>>> simple computer math of down-sampling the long-established and heavily
>>> entrenched CD standard for
>>> playback and general-use copies...
>>
>> Because of solid state storage being completely subject to Moore's law, the optical media player 
>> is about to go out of production for exactly the same reason the CRT television set has. It will 
>> simply make no financial sense for anybody to maintain the assembly lines.
>>
>> That'll be the end of 44.1 as any kind of a standard.
>>
>>
>> Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN
>> Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control
>> Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined!
>> 615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com    http://www.thewombforums.com
>>
> 

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