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Re: Wire recording archival housing vendor

From:

Dennis Rooney <[log in to unmask]>

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Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 12 Nov 2022 22:00:39 -0500

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Magnacorder was the other

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On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 2:41 PM Steve Smolian <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Actually, there are at least two wire systems that work like tape
> transports, with removable reels on both sides.  GE had one and I forgot
> the other.
>
> Steve Smolian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <
> [log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Richard L. Hess
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 2:29 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
>
> I would talk to Nicholas Bergh and/or Angie Dickenson Mickle, both on the
> ARSC technical committee. Both restore wires and come at it from two
> different directions. Nick has built the ultimate wire player and Angie
> uses well-maintained, selected vintage machines.
>
> Wires are almost always stored heads out as the takeup reel is fixed to
> the player and the wire must be rewound to be removed.
>
> Wires are easily tangled especially if the ends are not secured.
>
> I chaired a session on wires at the last ARSC conference, Angie and Nick
> were the two major contributors. I got to hear this from them.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
> On 2022-11-12 2:08 p.m., CBAUDIO wrote:
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > I can't find a reference as to how wire recordings should be stored
> > either. Perhaps someone with the knowledge will post. I also haven't
> > (knowingly) experienced the cross-talk that has been mentioned in any
> > of the wire recordings that I have transferred, although I have
> > wondered about it. Should recorded wire be stored tails out like
> > reel-to-reel audio tape? All of the wire recordings, that I have
> > encountered, have been stored heads out. I have only come across a
> > plain steel wire recording once, and it was on a 1/4" shafted hub.
> >
> > One thing I can say is that if your institution has a working player,
> > it would be good to address those wires that have become unraveled.
> > One of those 'Round Tuit' projects. :)
> >
> > Best,
> > CB
> > Corey Bailey
> > www.baileyzone.net
> >
> > ------ Original Message ------
> > From: "Paul Sutherland" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>; "CBAUDIO"
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: 11/12/2022 7:32:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
> >
> >> I'll be honest, I'm struggling to find the reference now. I thought I
> >> read it here
> >> <https://cool.culturalheritage.org/byform/mailing-lists/arsclist/2009
> >> /05/msg00001.html> (ARSCLIST post from 2009), but I can't see any
> >> discussion of orientation there except the initial question. You can
> >> probably safely ignore my assertion here.
> >>
> >> (That thread is also where I saw mention of removing the original
> >> cardboard container.)
> >>
> >> That said, I imagine there might be some difference if the wire is
> >> partially unravelled, which quite a lot of ours are. We have one
> >> extreme case of a wire that is very unravelled (fortunately after
> >> digitization, I'm not sure at what point it became so unravelled),
> >> and I can imagine it being detrimental to any future salvage to put
> >> the weight of the vertical spool on the unravelled wire. Also, as the
> >> proposed microfilm packaging is larger than the wire recording and
> >> the wire has no original packaging (again, a few cases for us),
> >> transporting them vertically would lead to rolling, which in the case
> >> of partially unravelled wire would mean rolling over loose wire. This
> >> seems unnecessary to me, so if it made no difference otherwise, I
> >> would be happy to store them flat.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Paul Sutherland
> >> Archivist at www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR Musician at
> >> www.hearlambeth.com
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> -----------
> >>
> >> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> >> <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of CBAUDIO
> >> <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 02:20 To:[log in to unmask]
> >> <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
> >>
> >> Hi Paul,
> >>
> >> I'm curious; Where did you come across the knowledge that wire
> >> recordings should be stored flat? I wasn't aware that it could make a
> >> difference. I was aware that motion picture film is to be stored flat
> >> but wire recordings?
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> CB
> >> Corey Bailey
> >> www.baileyzone.net
> >>
> >> ------ Original Message ------
> >> From: "Paul Sutherland" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Sent: 11/11/2022 6:46:32 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
> >>
> >> >Thank you so much everybody!
> >> >
> >> >Based on the info so far, I think I may need to go with microfilm
> >> boxes. Unless someone is able to identify explicitly designed wire
> >> housing.
> >> >
> >> >Corey - I've read that removing the original cardboard boxes is best
> >> for long-term storage, but yes, there is much metadata on those that
> >> it would be useful to keep. If others think that it's actually okay
> >> to keep them in their original cardboard boxes, I would go with this.
> >> We also unfortunately don't yet have cold storage available for these
> >> but hopefully soon. Thanks also for the post about playing them.
> >> >
> >> >It's also my understanding that they should be stored flat
> >> (horizontally). I could stack microfilm reels like that in larger
> >> archival boxes.
> >> >
> >> >The Webster-Chicago boxes fit into a 16mm microfilm box. Silvertone
> >> ones (blue, round boxes) don't, so I would use 35mm microfilm boxes.
> >> >
> >> >I'd rather have individual housing than having to construct
> >> dividers, but that's definitely an option. A 7" or 10.5" reel-to-reel
> >> box would be quite economical though, divided up that's 4 or 9 spaces
> >> for 3.5"x3.5".
> >> >
> >> >Thanks for the reminder to tape the wire down too!
> >> >
> >> >Appreciate all the info so far.
> >> >
> >> >---
> >> >Paul Sutherland
> >> >Archivist at
> >> www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR<http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAI
> >> R>
> >> <http://www.amphilsoc.org/library/CNAIR<http://www.amphilsoc.org/libr
> >> ary/CNAIR>>
> >>
> >> >Musician at www.hearlambeth.com<http://www.hearlambeth.com>
> >> >________________________________
> >> >From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> >> <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Paul Jackson
> >> <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 18:10
> >> >To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
> >> >
> >> >One place to check for such storage boxes would be Uline:
> >> >https://catalog.uline.com/Fall-Winter-US-2022/82/#
> >> >
> >> >Another may be, University Products. They are very good for Museum
> >> >storage materials. https://www.universityproducts.com/
> >> >
> >> >On 11/10/2022 9:43 AM, Lance Watsky wrote:
> >> >>  Hi Paul,
> >> >>
> >> >>  Back when I worked at the State of Georgia Archives, we would get
> >> boxes and create dividers for delicate objects.
> >> >>
> >> >>  You may want to contact Conversation Supply companies, like Gaylord.
> >> >>
> >> >>  Best,
> >> >>  Lance
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>  Lance Watsky
> >> >>
> >> >>  Manager of Media Archives & Licensing
> >> >>  Sherman Grinberg Film Library
> >> >>  21011 Itasca Street
> >> >>  Chatsworth, CA 91311
> >> >>  C: (909) 223-7941<tel:%28909%29%20223-7941>
> >> >> E:[log in to unmask]
> >> >>
> >> >>  ________________________________
> >> >>  From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion
> >> List<[log in to unmask]>  on behalf of Paul
> >> Sutherland<[log in to unmask]>
> >> >>  Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 7:52 AM
> >> >>To:[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >>  Subject: [ARSCLIST] Wire recording archival housing vendor
> >> >>
> >> >>  Hi all,
> >> >>
> >> >>  We have a number of wire recordings on original spools in
> >> original cardboard boxes, that we are looking to rehouse. They are
> >> standard commercial size (2.75" diameter, 0.6-ish" wide). Some are
> >> starting to unravel, though fortunately they were almost all already
> >> digitized. My main concern is giving them individual housing so the
> >> wires do not tangle with others.
> >> >>
> >> >>  ARSC's guide
> >> (p64)<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.clir.o
> >> rg_wp-2Dcontent_uploads_sites_6_2015_05_ARSC-2Dw-2Dcover.pdf&d=DwIFAw
> >> &c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Kp4tmL90KaBMzYo2uBG6
> >> UY1FLVcV8J78ZNTo3170Ups&m=n2FQz1znjkBuCJuvfRFTUwlovOe4m0_Z1ytfGUrtjIQ
> >> &s=Tiixwv4G0iITLG38Pk71QHrl9YayXLWsnWjivbFtooI&e=>
> >>  says they should be stored in acid-free boxes of the appropriate
> >> size, but I have not been able to find a vendor selling the right
> >> size - either labeled as for wire recordings or reel-to-reel audio
> >> tapes. I imagined I might find 3" reel-to-reel tape boxes at
> >> Hollinger or Gaylord, but they only go down to 7". The closest
> >> possibly suitable thing I can find is microfilm storage boxes, but
> >> those are also slightly bigger (3.75" diameter).
> >> >>
> >> >>  Does anybody know of a vendor selling acid-free boxes for wire
> >> recordings? Or has anyone had success getting custom ones made, or
> >> using something of similar size?
> >> >>
> >> >>  Thanks!
> >> >>  Paul
> >> >>
> >> >>  ---
> >> >>  Paul Sutherland
> >> >>  Archivist
> >> athttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.amphilsoc.o
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> >> >>  Musician
> >> athttps://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.hearlambeth
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>
> --
> Richard L. Hess                   email:[log in to unmask]
> Aurora, Ontario, Canada                             647 479 2800
> http://www.richardhess.com/tape/contact.htm
> Track Format - Speed - Equalization - Azimuth - Noise Reduction
> Quality tape transfers -- even from hard-to-play tapes.
>


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