John is now firmly on record as NOT being a fan of Pierre Boulez! ;)
Not to boil John's blood further, but this article about Boulez and his influence on some conductors
and composers was in the NYTimes last weekend:
I actually reserved the original DGG CD from the local library system. I want to see if it really
sounds as far-away as those sound samples on Arkiv. What I heard of Firebird wasn't so bad as far as
pacing. I prefer LISTENING to something more fast and furious like Dorati/LSO, but I bet Boulez's
approach is more how it's done as a ballet that people can actually dance to without breaking apart
-- Tom Fine
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Haley" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] SACD "surprise"
> An even better question to ask is this--with so many excellent Stravinsky
> recordings to chose from, why bother with this one at all?
> I have to admit that the cover is sort of cool, but otherwise I would
> quickly gravitate to a more masterful conductor's recording.
> John Haley
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
>> This appears to be some kind of digital fraud.
>> Look at the original CD details:
>> The album was recorded in 1992. Exactly what high-resolution digital
>> recording system existed in 1992? DGG was using a Studer system that
>> operated at most at 48kHz/16-bit. There is an outside possibility that they
>> were running analog tape backups, but I don't think so based on articles
>> I've read about this "4D" thing they were touting.
>> The MOST RESOLUTION POSSIBLE from this recording is whatever was the
>> original recording medium. Up-converting it DOES NOT ADD MORE RESOLUTION.
>> It may change the sound in some way that some people prefer, some sort of
>> euphony involved with conversion to DSD and DSD-to-analog, perhaps.
>> This sort of thing makes the Japanese reissue guys look a little batty.
>> The other one that's really odd is a series called something like "BluDisc"
>> that seems to suggest the CDs are made on the same equipment as BluRay
>> discs and thus have "more precise" pits and lands. I've seen no scientific
>> presentations or papers anywhere suggesting this offers any audible
>> improvements. For what it's worth, I was loaned one of these CDs of a
>> Mercury album, apparently made from the same digital master or a
>> bit-perfect copy, as the CDs produced by the plant in Germany. As I
>> suspected, no analysis software I could find revealed ANY DIFFERENCE in the
>> CDs, and they sounded identical, to my ears. More importantly, they both
>> ripped bit-identical files using dBPowerAmp's CD ripper with Accurip. I
>> will say that it's possible that these "BluDics" are easier to read and
>> thus perhaps produce fewer corrected errors in some inferior CD players.
>> It's also worth reading the review included on the ArkivMusic descriptor
>> page linked above. This is one of those DGG way-distant recordings where
>> the orchestra sounds like it's a football field away from the mics. That
>> whole "4D" process was never really detailed by DGG, it was apparently just
>> a full integration of DGG recording techniques with Studer digital
>> equipment, and was the subject of some mocking, especially by British hi-fi
>> and pro-audio magazines in the 90s. To my ears, I don't care what digital
>> system they were using as much as I care that everything sounds like it was
>> recorded across a large space from the music, or in an echo chamber. Very
>> few DGG recording sound very detailed or intimate, to my ears. They make
>> the listener a spectator from a distance rather than a participant in the
>> -- Tom Fine
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Long" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 5:52 PM
>> Subject: [ARSCLIST] SACD "surprise"
>> I get promotional e-mails from www.elusivedisc.com, mostly about vinyl.
>>> The prices for the 45-rpm issues (about $50) are beyond my ability to pay
>>> 99% of the time. Now I see they are offering Esoteric SACD reissues for
>>> $65! See <
>>> Has anyone been impressed by this (and other) Esoteric SACD reissues?