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Re: Nagra SN tape sticking

From:

Lou Judson <[log in to unmask]>

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Tue, 3 Nov 2020 08:47:16 -0800

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Shai, I have no specific informaiton on the topic of backcoated or not, but I think that the chemical basis for SSS in the oxide was simply simultaneous with the advent of back coating. Back in the day, a radio studio where I worked used cheap “shamrock” 7” reels of scrap tape that seemed to be Ampex and some of it was backcoated and some was not, but the oxide seemed the same on some of the stock. I’m so glad it is not my gig to be transferring those tapes to digital!

That Shaamrock junk was extremely hard to splice together into 12400’ reels, because there were many variaitons in the formulae in a box of 50 reels.

Once we moved over to Sctoch 176 everything suddenly became depandable and normal again! 176 is duplicator grade but dependable and no SSS to this day! :-)

So I’m just saying sticky shed is not dependent on backcoating at all. Good luck with your SN tapes! I;’ve never even seen any of those.

<L>
Lou Judson
Intuitive Audio
415-883-2689

> On Nov 3, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Shai Drori <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> True. This tape is acting differently than any other tape I have
> transferred before, video or audio. It is not back-coated, squeals, and
> sticks. It makes me think that maybe our assumption that SSS is caused
> mainly from the back-coating is not necessarily true all the time. This
> tape so far behaves just like a classic SSS tape. And being so thin makes
> handling it even harder. I have placed a batch of 14 reels in the oven
> overnight. 10 blue and 4 green reels. I'll check them tomorrow and report
> back.
> 
> Cheers
> Shai Drori
> Expert digitization services for Audio Video
> 3K scanning for film 8mm-35mm
> Timeless Recordings Music Label
> www.audiovideofilm.com
> [log in to unmask]
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:41 PM David Crosthwait <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> In the world of videotape recovery, non back coated tapes have been found
>> to be sticky just like back coated models. It depends on the stock. 3M 399
>> is an example of sometimes being sticky. Thus, tape baking usually is the
>> elixir.
>> 
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> David Crosthwait
>> DC Video
>> Preservation Level Videotape Transfers and More!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [log in to unmask]
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>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2020, at 6:26 AM, Shai Drori wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Corey
>>> Thank you for your advice.
>>> My inclination was to try baking even though the tapes are not
>> back-coated.
>>> First test seems very promising.  Two reels tested and played fine. The
>>> emulsion is different from the green and red reels so I see no pint in
>>> treating the good reels. I don’t know who manufactured the tape for Nagra
>>> but it looks to be high quality tape.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 2 Nov 2020 at 21:36 Corey Bailey <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Shai,
>>>> 
>>>> I would consider baking the blue reel tapes. Although I save baking as a
>>>> last resort, layer-to-layer adhesion usually requires careful baking.
>>>> You may want to lubricate the red & green reels if you have any kind of
>>>> oxide issues at all, including having to clean the transport more than
>>>> usual.
>>>> 
>>>> Although you are a professional & plenty qualified, you may find some
>>>> useful information in two articles that I wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://www.baileyzone.net/BAKING%20ANALOG%20AND%20DIGITAL%20AUDIO%20TAPE.htm
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.baileyzone.net/LUBRICATING%20POLYESTER%20AUDIO%20TAPE.htm
>>>> 
>>>> Be safe,
>>>> 
>>>> ~CB
>>>> 
>>>> Corey Bailey Audio Engineering
>>>> www.baileyzone.net
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/2/2020 4:17 AM, Shai Drori wrote:
>>>>> Hoping to find some answers from the group about a problem I am facing.
>>>> I'm
>>>>> digitizing a few hundred Nagra SN tapes. These are reel to reel tapes
>> in
>>>>> the width of a cassette. There are three lengths, red, green, and blue
>>>>> reels, with blue being the thinnest and longest tape
>>>>> 
>>>>> the red and green tapes play fine but the blue tapes are stuck so each
>>>>> layer is glued to the layer before it. When I try to play the tapes
>> they
>>>>> squeal and the magnetic particles sometimes are removed from the base
>> and
>>>>> stay stuck to the back of the layer before. These tapes are not
>>>>> black-coated and resemble really thin c-120 cassette material.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any suggestions are welcome.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Shai
>>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>> 
> 

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