I've put a couple of songs up on Dropbox - a little worn but still great
Gloomy Sunday by Artie Shaw from 1940 and It's Easy When You Know How - by
Xavier Cugat with Buddy Clark from 1947 - this would have been a taped
master - the 78 sounds great-Mickey
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ql3eoswo9ad0mud/AABf00pHH9mJ-JDjLTaqUQkLa?dl=0
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Samuels
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 12:30 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Great 78 Project
My compliments to your vision, Brewster, and I wish you every success.
One suggestion that I haven't seen mentioned directly is to include
discographies (artist, label, etc.) and discographic work in your research,
and make them accessible to your users. There is a wealth of information
out there that would prove invaluable alongside the actual recordings
themselves.
Best, Jon Samuels
On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Brewster Kahle <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Yes yes yes, we would like to build a reference collection of
> everything. if you have images of the labels that would help as well.
>
> archive.org has an upload button on the homepage (it is free), and if
> you put in the subject "78rpm" then we can move it into the 78rpm
> collection.
>
> if you need any help with this, please contact Jeff Kaplan
> [log in to unmask]
>
> -brewster
>
>
>
> On 5/13/17 8:05 AM, Mint Records wrote:
> > Do you want releases from anywhere? I'm in the UK with a large
> > collection
> > of 78's and occasionally digitize items (I wish I had more time to do
> so!),
> > but would be glad to let you have copies when I do if not already in
> > your
> > collection or better than you have already.
> >
> > Richard Moore
> >
> > On 13 May 2017 at 16:00, Brewster Kahle <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> thank you, maddie. I concur-- lets see if we can get complete
> >> catalogs
> >> up in some form.
> >>
> >> We will be digitizing 400,000 sides which is exciting. But this is
> >> still only 12% of the 3 million sides that are said to have been
> created.
> >>
> >> We are looking for donations of discs to build the collections
> >> digitized
> >> in this project. For those that have disc's this might be an
> >> opportunity to digitize them and weave them in.
> >>
> >> onward!
> >>
> >> -brewster
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/12/17 10:48 PM, Maddie Dietrich wrote:
> >>> All, I think this is all EXCELLENT and I applaud your work! My only
> >>> thought, in terms of building a reference (listening) collection, is
> >>> to
> >> err
> >>> on the side of inclusivity of content over exclusivity due to quality
> of
> >>> transfer. Obviously your prescribed recommended tech standards are
> >> STRONGLY
> >>> preferred, but I wonder if something is better than nothing. This is
> >> surely
> >>> more a philosophical consideration, and I am sensitive to the very
> >>> real
> >>> concerns about poor and/or dubious fidelity diminishing the value of
> the
> >>> collection as a viable and reputable resource. And as I dig myself
> >>> ever
> >>> deeper here, I think I'll stop and step out this hole and listen and
> >> learn
> >>> from your comments. Regardless, the project very exciting indeed.
> >>> CONGRATULATIONS ALL!
> >>>
> >>> Maddie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 17:47 Clark Johnsen <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> Right. The over-processed problem. I had forgotten that very
> conspicuous
> >>>> and horrid accretion. My primary concern, however, is what happens
> after
> >>>> the needle hits the groove. In two words, the playback quality. . .
> >> before
> >>>> a signal hits the processors. I've been working on this situation,
> >> creating
> >>>> a veritable taxonomy of proper playback, for several decades. But as
> >> with
> >>>> noise reduction, everyone has his own fixed ideas.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Mint Records <
> >> [log in to unmask]
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> What a great project. Whilst the George Blood LP transfers are
> >> obviously
> >>>>> well done, there does need to be some sort of quality control for
> >>>> material
> >>>>> sent by others. For instance I have looked for recordings on
> >> Archive.org
> >>>> in
> >>>>> the past and found some horrible transfers often with the note "78
> RPM
> >>>>> record GRINDING noises is removed (with Goldwave) so that we can
> >>>>> hear
> >>>> what
> >>>>> went onto the record instead of nearly a century of misuse". These
> >>>>> recordings have had ridiculous amounts of noise reduction applied
> >>>>> and
> >>>> sound
> >>>>> appalling. Searching http://archive.org/details/78rpm links to many
> >> of
> >>>>> these, along with low quality MP3's etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The minimum standard should be 44/16 flac with no restoration.
> although
> >>>>> archival 96/24 is preferable.So I think what Clark was saying is
> >>>>> very
> >>>>> valid.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I applaud your idea, but if not transferred professionally by
> >>>>> someone
> >> who
> >>>>> knows and understands the medium to the proper standard then you run
> >> the
> >>>>> risk of devaluing the whole project (in my opinion)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Take these two - taken at random. Both appalling transfers with all
> the
> >>>>> life sucked out of them by heavy handed noise reduction and covered
> in
> >>>>> artifacts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://archive.org/details/GloomySunday-
> theFamousHungarianSuicideSong
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://archive.org/details/FredAstaire-31-33
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Richard
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 12 May 2017 at 13:32, Brewster Kahle <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Clark--
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you are talking about the transfers quality on archive.org, may
> I
> >>>>>> suggest you look at the ones here:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://archive.org/details/georgeblood?sort=-publicdate
> >>>>>> these are the ones we have transferred with George Blood and listed
> in
> >>>>>> most recently archived first.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> These are 96KHz, 24bit deep monster FLAC files, with both EQ and
> Flat
> >>>>>> versions, and with 4 different styli. This is to make it so we
> have
> >>>>>> alot to work with, and I hope there will be debates in the reviews
> as
> >>>> to
> >>>>>> which is better for which disc.
> >>>>>> They are all recorded at 78.16rpm (I think), but if others would
> like
> >>>> it
> >>>>>> we can make the player adjustable to make it so there can be
> >>>>>> runtime
> >>>>>> adjustments.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you are talking more philosophically about digital v physical, I
> >>>>>> think of this as a reference collection, not as a full-on
> substitute.
> >>>> I
> >>>>>> hope we can use this project to research transfer techniques,
> discover
> >>>>>> 78's and experience them in new ways, and show the value in these
> >> discs
> >>>>>> so encourage physical AND digital preservation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -brewster
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/11/17 10:53 PM, Clark Johnsen wrote:
> >>>>>>> A noble project indeed. Just two caveats. There are various ways
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>> play
> >>>>>>> the discs, some better than others, some very poor indeed. Are the
> >>>>> latter
> >>>>>>> to stand as the permanent representations? And then one must ask
> what
> >>>>>>> digital medium is utterly trustworthy? And/or which "cloud"?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> These questions have bothered me for several decades. To my mind
> they
> >>>>>>> remain unanswered.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Brewster Kahle <
> >>>> [log in to unmask]
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Today at the ARSC meeting we announced "The Great 78 Project" to
> >>>>>>>> encourage preservation, research and discovery of 78rpm records.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Internet Archive, working with the Archive of Contemporary
> Music
> >>>>> (B
> >>>>>>>> George), George Blood LP, and Coast Mastering (Jessica Thompson),
> we
> >>>>> now
> >>>>>>>> have a project website:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://great78.archive.org/ and
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://archive.org/details/78rpm where users have uploaded
> >>>>> 57,000
> >>>>>>>> 78's and cylinder transfers, and
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> we have started digitizing donated collections.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The idea is to make this a community project to help bring all of
> >>>> our
> >>>>>>>> collections to light and weave them into the web.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please give feedback and please join!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> * *Share knowledge.* Help us improve metadata, curate the
> >>>>> collection,
> >>>>>>>> contact collectors, do research on the corpus, etc.
> >>>>>>>> * *Include your digitized collection.* If you have already
> >>>> digitized
> >>>>>>>> 78s or related books or media, we’d like to include your work
> in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> collection.
> >>>>>>>> * *Digitize your collection.* We’ve worked hard to make
> >>>>> digitization
> >>>>>>>> safe, fast and affordable, so if you’d like to digitize your
> >>>>>>>> collection we can help.
> >>>>>>>> * *Donate 78s.* We will digitize your collection and preserve
> the
> >>>>>>>> physical discs for the long term.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Any ideas or questions: [log in to unmask]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -brewster
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Digital Librarian
> >>>>>>>> Internet Archive
> >>>>>>>>
>
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