I too would like to chime in on 'independent' BIBCO participation.  I am
comfortable of the idea of independent NACO participation through some sort
of funnel.  But, I do think that administrative support must be a
requirement.  Each institution has its own priorities and activities or
functions it values.  If PCC came to be viewed has somehow circumventing
institutional priorities, we would be doing a great disservice to the
Program.  I would hope that a new PCC catalog librarian at a non-PCC
library would instead provide the opportunity to recruit a new library.

I am not comfortable with the notion in independent BIBCO participation.
This clearly requires an institutional commitment both to the core
standard, to training, and ongoing support for record contribution.

/Joan Swanekamp

At 04:22 PM 1/20/00 -0500, you wrote:
>I agree with John Schalow. Even with trained catalogers, accuracy is
>often a problem. Also within an institution, it is much easier to
>communicate with one another on changes and updates in practices.
>
>Accountability for NACO records is very important. I can see the
>possibility of independent BIBCO participants without involvement in
>creation of new NACO records - I guess this will have problem in
>authorization.
>
>Margaret Shen
>
>
>js368 wrote:
>>
>> Dear Ana and others:
>>   The advantage of what we are doing now is that there is accountability at
>> an institutional level.  I recently received an error report from OCLC
>> about a PCC record we had input where another institution was requesting
>> several rather substantive changes.  OCLC wanted us to check the book and we
>> did and the result was corrections to the record (hate to admit this!).  But
>> the system works!!  If we adopt a model which includes independent
>> catalogers (maybe by applying the funnel project model), we still need to
>> maintain accountability and a contact person who will take responsibility
>> for resolving problems and evaluating whether additional training is
>> needed.   -John Schalow
>>
>> >Dear Kate, et al.
>> >   Traditionally NACO participation has been institution based because
>> >of the commitment to the initial 5-day training and because LC provides
>> >free documentation to NACO institutions to assure compliance with the
>> >most current policies and procedures (MARC 21 format and all updates,
>> >(including the DCM Z1 yellow pages--which are not available from CDS)
>> >and the LCRIs and its updates).
>> >   Perhaps rather than individual membership the model to be followed
>> >here should be a Funnel project.  Some of the Funnel Projects are
>> >comprised of single individuals from institutions, usually from a
>> >specialized branch library, where the general library may not belong to
>> >NACO.  Perhaps Bob (or Norine) would like to consider becoming the
>> >Funnel Coordinator for a General NACO Funnel Project (GenNACO??).
>> >   At ALA we heard from a retired NACO cataloger who is now working
>> >free-lance and from an active cataloger who moved from a NACO to a
>> >non-NACO institution both expressing the desire to continue NACO
>> >participation.
>> >   We'd be interested in hearing more discussion on this before taking
>> >the question of individual PCC membership to the PoCo for consideration.
>> >
>> >Ana Cristan
>> >Cooperative Cataloging Team
>> >Library of Congress
>> >e-mail: [log in to unmask]
>> >phone: 202.707.7921
>> >fax: 202.707.2824
>> >
>> >Kate Harcourt wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think it is a good idea.  My only question/concern would be one of
>> >> logistics.  The new institution may not be an OCLC enhance library, thus
>> >> limiting participation.  Also some of us might question the pcc marker in
>> >> a record that does not have a participating library MARC21 symbol in the
>> >> 040.
>> >>
>> >> Kate
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 19 Jan 2000, Vicenti, Norine Isidora wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > That would be a good idea.  What if a former institutional cataloger
>> became
>> >> > an independent cataloger?  If that person has present NACO contributing
>> >> > status, why not continue that status as a stand-alone if  so desired.?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks Robert for the suggestion.
>> >> >
>> >> > Norine Vicenti  (BYU alumni)
>> >> > Joint Bank-Fund Libary
>> >> >
>> >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > From: Robert Maxwell
>> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 7:03 PM
>> >> > > To:   [log in to unmask]
>> >> > > Subject:      "Independent" pcc members
>> >> > >
>> >> > > PCC members:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I was struck at Midwinter by the number of my cataloging colleagues
>who
>> >> > > have become what I will call "PCC orphans" by changing jobs, becoming
>> >> > > employed by a library that is not an institutional NACO/BIBCO
>member. I
>> >> > > think as the years pass the number of such catalogers will grow. It
>> seems
>> >> > > to me we are losing a rich resource by abandoning these experienced
>PCC
>> >> > > catalogers, many of whom would like to continue contributing.
Would it
>> be
>> >> > > possible to establish a category of "independent" or "personal"
>> membership
>> >> > > that would allow those who have been contributors to the program at
>> their
>> >> > > original institution continue to contribute even if their current
>> >> > > institution does not participate?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Bob Maxwell
>> >> > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> >> > > Robert L. Maxwell
>> >> > > Special Collections and Ancient Languages Cataloger
>> >> > > 6428 Harold B. Lee Library
>> >> > > Brigham Young University
>> >> > > Provo, UT 84602
>> >> > > (801) 378-5568
>> >> > > [log in to unmask]
>> >> > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> >> >
>>
>> John Schalow, Head, Cataloging Dept., McKeldin Library
>> University of Maryland, College Park, MD., 20742
>> Email:[log in to unmask]
>> Phone: 301-405-9320  Fax: 301-314-9971
>
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