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Subject:

AW: New ISO 639-2 code (fwd)

From:

Christian Galinski <[log in to unmask]>

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ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:29:56 -0000

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I do not consider it a good idea to freeze ISO 639-1.
If there will be languages which are developing specialized languages and
terminologies, so that they have to be taken into account in terminology
databases (e.g. in the Melanesia-Polynesia region), there will still be a
need of a 2-letter symbols also in the future.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]]Im Auftrag
von Rebecca S. Guenther
Gesendet am: 02 February 2001 15:09
An: [log in to unmask]
Betreff: New ISO 639-2 code (fwd)

Dear ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee:

See below the request for a new language code in ISO 639-1 for Geez. This
language is already established in ISO 639-2 as "gez". Although the form
below indicates that the request is for 639-2, I did clarify with the
requester that it is for inclusion in ISO 639-1.

The principles we established at our meeting last year say:

*New codes will no longer be added to ISO 639-1 after the publication of a
revised standard.
* A language code already in ISO 639-2 at the point of freezing ISO
639-1 shall not later be added to ISO 639-1. This is to ensure consistency
in usage over time, since users are directed in Internet applications to
employ the alpha-3 code when an alpha-2 code for that language is not
available.

So I have the following questions:
What is the status of the revised 639-1?

What is the status of the revised RFC which directs users to employ the
alpha-3 code? (I looked at it at
http://www.egt.ie/standards/iso639/rfc1766bis-05.txt; it says it is "best
current practice" and that it obsoletes RFC 1766; also that it expires in
April 2001)-- Michael, we need your help with this.

Shall we consider this for inclusion now in ISO 639-1 if the revision has
not been published? Or shall we direct the requester to the new
RFC/Internet Draft?

If we need to consider this for ISO 639-1, I will send out a formal
ballot (and probably a discussion is needed on the general 639 list).

Rebecca
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^^  Rebecca S. Guenther                                   ^^
^^  Chair, ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee               ^^
^^  Library of Congress                                   ^^
^^  Washington, DC 20540-4402                             ^^
^^  (202) 707-5092 (voice)    (202) 707-0115 (FAX)        ^^
^^  [log in to unmask]                                          ^^
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:34:50 -0500
From: WWW generic account <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: New ISO 639-2 code

This data was submitted on: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 10:34:49

lang_in_eng = Geez
lang_in_fre = gučze
ref_where_found_1 =
lang_in_vern = U+130D U+12D5 U+12DD
ref_where_found_2 =
trans_lit = Unicode Addresses

evidence = The Institute of Ethiopian Studies in Addis Ababa has no less
than 1,700 manuscripts and a further 7,000 that have been microfilmed by
UNESCO.

The Patriarchate Library in Addis Ababa has at least 100 manuscripts.
National Library of Ethiopia has 250 - 300 manuscripts.

Some figures for Ge'ez documents outside of Ethiopia, by no means
exhaustive:


Britian

598: British Library
101: Bodleanen Library in Oxford
 67: Cambridge University Library
 42: John Rylands Library
 35: British Foreign Bible Society
 17: Wellcome Institute Library
  9: School of Oriental and African Studies
  6: Royal Library Windsor Castle
  6: India Office Collection of the British Library
  5: Selly Oaks College Library
  5: Victoria and Albert Museum
  3: University of Edinburgh Library
  1: Fitzwilliam Museum, Cambridge
  1: Jews' College, London
  1: St Andrews University Library

France

688: Biblotheque Nationale in Paris

Germany

734: scattered, but mostly in Hamburg.

Vatican

618: Apostolic Library
  9: Library of the Potificio Biblico

United States

325: Princeton University Libraries
 13: Free Library of Philadelphia
  9: Yale University

Netherlands

180: Bibliotheek de Rijksuniversiteit, Leiden

Italy

38: Biblioteca Ambrosiana, Milano
14: Biblioteca del Monumento Nazionale Abbazia, Grottaferrata
13: Library of Italian Geographical Society, Rome
 9: Biblioteca Nazional Centrale, Firenze

Rusia

86: Russian Accedemy of Sciences
28: Russian National Library
 4: Institute of Oriental Languages

Sweden

57: Universitetbibliotek, Uppsala
 4: Kunglige Bibliotek,  Stockholm
 3: Universitetbibliotek, Gotenborg

Ireland

53: Chester Beatty Library, Dublin
13: Trinity College, Dublin

Israel

50: Tel Aviv (institute unknown)

Austria

45: Osterreische Nationaalbibliothek
10: Universitatbibliothek, Graz
    Bibliothek der Mecharistenkongegationen, Vienna

Armenia

30: (institutes unknown)

addinfo = Ge'ez is not the first language of anyone.  Ge'ez may be a 2nd
or 3rd language as many as 50,000 fluent speakers, I will check on this
figure.

request_addition = ISO 639-2 only
2_code_suggestion = GZ
3_code_suggestion = GEZ
submit_name = Daniel Yaocb
submit_email = [log in to unmask]

submit_status = I work on Ge'ez software support and have come into the
lack of an Alpha-2 code problem whilst working on locales in particular,
but it has been a recurring problem.

The figures I've quoted come from this article:

http://www.afromet.org/Archives/AddisTribune/17-12-99/Five.htm

I've consulted the author who has also provided the figures from within
Ethiopia.

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