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ISOJAC November 2001

Subject:

Re: Saami or Sami + the number is 6.

From:

Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]>

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ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 29 Nov 2001 13:40:48 +0000

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At 08:02 +0100 2001-11-29, Trond Trosterud wrote:
>Two issues:
>
>Sa/á/aami
>---------
>I have no strong opinions. Michael's old point that the Sámi lg councils
>should impose norms on their own lg, not on other, is still valid. The lgs
>are called samisk in Norwegian (with tone 1), and saame in Finnish,
>saamskij jazyk in Russian. What the English chose is unclear to me, since
>it is a marginal issue anyway. I would have liked to see an English academy
>here. Anyway, I see that Oxford and John disagree. In principle, I would
>like to follow Oxford, but I do not trust them to have done anything but
>taking the Sámi form and press it into the a-z system. So I'll wait to see
>a consensus emerging.
>
>ISO 639-2
>---------
>I am very surprised to see Michael open for a proposal with #less# lg codes
>than Håvard Hjulstad suggests. That mistakes are made for Chinese does not
>make it appropriate to make mistakes for Sámi.
>
>There are ten Sámi lgs, they all add up along the other lgs of the world to
>form the 6500-7000 stock in the SIL registry. 639-2 has 17576 code
>positions, that is three for each lg. 6 of these lgs have written lgs, the
>other 4 have only a handful of older speakers each.
>
>My proposal is not to suggest a code for each of the 7000 lgs (alhtough it
>is definitely needed). My proposal is to suggest a code for each lg with a
>standardised written lg, by liberal and optimistic criteria we will get to
>2000 wr lgs before they die out, again less than 17576. I will thus have 6
>codes in the 639-2 for Southern, Lule, Northern, Inari, Skolt and Kildin
>Sámi, in addition to the unfortunate " smi = Other Sámi lgs", and the 639-1
>code for Northern Sámi,
>
>>From the point of view of the librarian, there is also a need for a tag for
>the whole Sámi lg family. But a tag set of lg families should probably be
>made totally separate from 639, and be made by linguistic typologists.
>
>Again, there are 6 written Sámi lgs, with their own lg committees, their
>own school curricula, primers, text books, dictionaries and novels, their
>own Unicode code positions, and their own software localisations. ISO 639-2
>is there to serve their needs.
>
>I would like to see one 3-letter code for each of these 6 written Sámi lgs.
>
>
>
>Since the mailing list john referred to is a closed one, I hope that these
>arguments are brought to the attention of the list members by some of you.
>
>Greetings,
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Trond Trosterud                                     t +47 7764 4763
>Samisk institutt, Det humanistiske fakultet         h +47 7767 3639
>N-9037 Universitetet i Tromsø, Noreg                f +47 7764 4239
>[log in to unmask]           http://www.hum.uit.no/a/trond/
>-------------------------------------------------------------------


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Michael Everson *** Everson Typography *** http://www.evertype.com

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