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Subject:

New proposal: Aragonese - Discussion until 18 October

From:

Håvard Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:59:09 +0200

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Dear colleagues,

We have received two submissions for the same language:

(1)
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This data was submitted on: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 15:22:46

lang_in_eng_change = ARAGONESE
lang_in_fre_change = ARAGONESE
iso_639_2_b = roa
iso_639_2_t = roa
change_requested = The code roa is classified in ISO 639 as a
collective language code. It encompasses all the related languages that
comprise the members of a single genetic subgroup (excluding those that
have a more specific code).

The Aragonese is a language, spoken for very people in Aragon, and have
very web in Internet.We need a more specific code.

We'd Like The Code for aragonese language  - ARG -

Thanks.

submit_name = Rafa
submit_email = [log in to unmask]
submit_status = Speaker of language.
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(2)
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This data was submitted on: Thursday, September 12, 2002 at 04:47:03

lang_in_eng = Aragonese
lang_in_fre = Aragonais
ref_where_found_1 = http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=AXX
lang_in_vern = Aragonés
ref_where_found_2 = http://orbita.starmedia.com/~prexinallo/biblind.html
trans_lit =
evidence = The ISBN agency in Spain has registered the publication of about
200 books in the last years:
http://www.mcu.es/cgi-bin/BRSCGI3701?CMD=VERLST&CONF=AEISPA.cnf&BASE=ISBN&DO
CS=1-189&SORT=-T353:4&EXPBUS=((DISPONIBLE%20OR%20AGOTADO)).WDIS.%20%26%20(AR
AGONES).WLEN.&QUERY=((DISPONIBLE%20OR%20AGOTADO)).WDIS.%20%26%20(ARAGONES).W
LEN.
addinfo = About 12,000 active speakers, and about 40,000 passive speakers.
Protected language in Aragon, officially teached in some areas.
It's spoken on the northern areas of Aragon (Spain).

There is an introduction to the history of the language in Wikipedia:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_language

SIL code is AXX (http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=AXX)
request_addition = ISO 639-2 only
2_code_suggestion =
3_code_suggestion = AXX
submit_name = Enrique Matías Sánchez
submit_email = [log in to unmask]
submit_status = Passive speaker of language.
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The language has been on the table of JAC once before. It was on the list of
possible additions to ISO 639-1, and it was (briefly) discussed in February
2000. It was at that time "deferred", both for alpha-2 and alpha-3
identifier.

The language currently is encoded under the group "roa" (Romance (other)).

Ethnologue lists Aragonese as an individual language (identifier AXX). (See
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=AXX.)

Linguasphere classifies the language as 51-AAA-db.

There seems to be little doubt that the correct English name is "Aragonese",
French is "aragonais", indigenous is "aragonés".

There also seems to be sufficient evidence of more than 50 documents.

As to identifiers:
Ethnologue identifier is "AXX"; one of the submissions suggest "ARG"; the
original proposal for alpha-2 identifier was "an". All these identifiers are
available. If we should decide that an alpha-2 identifier is called for, it
should be noted that "ar" is taken, but that "ag" is available. The
identifier "ARG" is used by Ethnologue for a different language.
We should at this point try not to add new "conflicts" with Ethnologue
(given the development of "Part 3" of ISO 639). All "sensible" alpha-3
combinations starting with AR, AA, AG, AO, AN, AE, AS are taken in
Ethnologue.

There may not be a need for a lengthy discussion on this item. Unless the
discussion seems to be going high at the time, I would suggest that we plan
to end the discussion on 18 October (two weeks from tomorrow). I have
requested from the submitters any relevant information to evaluate whether
an alpha-2 identifier is called for.

Best regards,
Håvard

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Håvard Hjulstad    mailto:[log in to unmask]
  Solfallsveien 31
  NO-1430  Ås, Norway
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  mob: +47 90145563
  http://www.hjulstad.com/havard/
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