I note that the Lojban Web site (in the FAQs) refers to Lojban as a sub-category of Loglan. The language in both Loglan and Lojban varieties seems to be in a state of frequent revision, such that older documents are different than modern documents. Personally, I don't see the advantage of including this language in ISO639, except for the status that the inventors will then claim. As Havard mentioned, perhaps we need evidence of documents in other institutions. After all, I could invent a language and write 50 different poems on separate sheets of paper and consider that my "language" should be included because it meets the ISO requirement for 50 documents. I think the requirement for 50 documents is only a necessary, but not a sufficient element in the addition of language codes.
Milicent Wewerka, Library of Congress
>>> Håvard Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]> 06/05/03 06:56AM >>>
Below please find a proposal for a new ISO 639 alpha-3 identifier.
Lojban is an artificial language. You can find information about Lojban in
the references provided by the submitter.
Lojban is not included in Ethnologue, since they don't include artificial
languages. However, ISO 639 does have some artificial languages, currently:
Afrihili : afh
Esperanto : eo / epo
Ido : io / ido
Interlingua : ia / ina
Interlingue : ie / ile
Volapük : vo / vol
Artificial (Other) : art
There are no explicit rules about the inclusion of artificial languages in
ISO 639. Going by the simple "50 document rule" it is probable that Lojban
meets the requirement (although it might be argued that 50 documents should
be found in other locations than the archives of the "Lojban organization"
I should like to hear arguments BOTH relating to the general question of
encoding artificial languages, AND the merit of including Lojban in the
Håvard Hjulstad mailto:[log in to unmask]
Chairman ISO/TC37 (Terminology and other language resources)
Convener of ISO/TC37/SC2/WG1 (Language coding)
Acting chairman of ISO 639 RA-JAC
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Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:13:22 -0400
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Subject: New ISO 639-2 code
This data was submitted on: Friday, May 30, 2003 at 11:13:22
lang_in_eng = Lojban
lang_in_fre = lojban
lang_in_vern = la lojban. [note required final dot, NOT a period]
trans_lit = None
evidence = The Logical Language Group, a non-profit Virginia (U.S.)
corporation, holds a substantial archive in paper and electronic form of
documents in Lojban. There are at least 100 Lojban documents in this
archive, including original prose and poetry, translations, personal
letters, and other works. Many of these works are also available online.
See http://www.lojban.org for contact information.
addinfo = Lojban is a constructed language with several purposes, originally
designed to test the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, but now extended to
international communication, human-computer communication, and others.
There are about 30-40 fluent speakers in all parts of the world, and perhaps
300 who have some level of interest in the language. Lojban has no official
request_addition = ISO 639-2 only
3_code_suggestion = jbo
submit_name = John Cowan
submit_email = [log in to unmask]
submit_status = Non-fluent speaker of language, Vice President of Logical
Note: We are requesting the code "jbo" because it seems unlikely to be
assigned to any other language, is not used by the Ethnologue, and is a
combining form (bound morpheme) meaning "Lojban(ic)", in such words as
jbopli, Lojban user, and jbota'a, to talk in Lojban.