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ISOJAC July 2003

Subject:

"Groups" and "rest groups"

From:

Havard Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:41:46 +0200

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The issue raised by Peter (below) is very important (although actually off
the "real" issue of the current thread; which is the reason why I have
changed the subject line).

With the new developments in language coding we need to re-think entirely
the "group identifiers", and especially the "rest group identifiers". I am
proposing that "group identifiers" be developed in a separate part of 639.
For some implementations it is important that an item is, e.g. "English" and
therefore "Germanic" and therefore "Indo-European". Other implementations
need a "set classification" rather than a "hierarchical classification", and
classes like "other Germanic languages" may make sense. But the
implementation obviously needs to know "Germanic languages other than which
ones?". I am proposing a "principles part" of 639 to standardize such
procedures.

As for Sorbian, there is currently no proposal to do anything with "wen". It
may eventually move to the "group identifiers" part.

Havard

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
> Of Peter Constable
> Sent: 16. juli 2003 22:06
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: ISO 639 JAC ballot 15-2003 and 16-2003 - Upper Sorbian and
> Lower Sorbian - Preliminary results
>
>
> > Some of the comments have been relating to the issue of retaining "wen"
> as a
> > group identifier for Sorbian (or as a rest group identifier for "other
> > Sorbian languages"). Evidence has been presented in favour of retaining
> the
> > group identifier, and no proposal will be made to deprecate it.
>
> The only issue I see in retaining the group identifier is clarifying the
> denotation. There is a current anomoly in the the text of the
> standard kind
> of suggests that the denotation of a collective excludes any
> varieties that
> have their own identifier. That would mean that "wen" has a null
> denotation
> (unless we say it still includes historic varieties). Also, I have pointed
> out in the past that there is a problem with collective categories that
> have an "other xxx languages" denotation in that (in the general
> case) when
> a member variety of the collection is assigned its own identifier, then by
> these rules (the collection excludes varieties with their own ID) existing
> data in that member variety that was tagged using the collective ID is now
> incorrectly tagged. If the collection was inclusive, the existing data
> would be correctly but sub-optimally tagged; by having the category be
> exclusive, the existing data becomes incorrectly tagged. (And there's
> probably nothing in most systems to advise anyone that there is now
> incorrectly tagged data.)
>
>
>
> - Peter
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
> Peter Constable
>
> Non-Roman Script Initiative, SIL International
> 7500 W. Camp Wisdom Rd., Dallas, TX 75236, USA
> Tel: +1 972 708 7485
>

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