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Subject:

Valencian: Code ISO 639 (fwd)

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"Rebecca S. Guenther" <[log in to unmask]>

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ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]>

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Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:44:35 -0500

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I thought you would all be interested in this message sent to the address
off our web site. We have discussed this in the past. 

Rebecca

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 04:49:58 +0100
From: Valencianlanguage.com <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Valencian: Code ISO 639

Valencia city (Spain) December 4  2003


Distinguished Gentleman/Madame,

We have seen the details to request an independent and different ISO code 639 for the Valencian language.

We are very interested in have an ISO code 639 for the Valencian language, for example because We are developing different software in Valencian and We always find the same problems to work with Valencian with international software companies. 

Please, allow us to do an small presentation: 

The Valencian is a romance language spoken by more than 2 million people in the historic Kingdom of Valencia, nowadays Autonomous Community of Valencia, which is located on the Mediterranean coast of Spain. It's official according to the article 7.1 of the Valencian Statute of Autonomy and it's included in the ratification of Spain of the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages.

Valencianlanguage.com is a project of the Royal Academy of Valencian Culture (RACV) www.racv.es  for the exterior promotion of the Valencian and to the development of our mother language, the Valencian.

The Royal Academy of Valencian Culture (RACV) is a public institution founded by the Valencian province Government in 1915. The Royal Academy of Valencian Culture is associated to the Instituto de Espaņa (Institute of Spain) and is a member of the C.E.C.E.L. (Spanish Confederation of Local Study Centres), of the Higher Council of Scientific Research (CSIC). 

The Language and Literature Section of the RACV represents nowadays to the Valencian language in the different annual editions of the international languages fair "Expolingua" (Lisbon, Berlin, Madrid) and promotes the International Seminar on Lesser Used Languages which is celebrated in Valencia city. 

The Language and Literature Section of the Royal Valencian Culture Academy has been the superintendent with standardising the language publishing the Orthography (1979), the Grammar (1980), the formal documentation (1981) and the Dictionary (1992). On the other hand, every year increase the authors assembled around the Valencian Language Writers' Association that use the Valencian as customary expression media, and it's being multiplied the editorial production.

As We see in the MARC documentation of your website the status of Valencian in ISO 639 is:
http://www.loc.gov/marc/languages/lang_t2z.html

Valencian Catalan 
  Assigned collective code [cat] 
  (Catalan) 
  UF 
  Catalan, Valencian 
We need and We want a differentiated, independent, and specific code for our language, the Valencian. This incorporation of the Valencian in the Catalan codes it's not right, and It has not been demand by any Valencian institution.

This incorporation of the Valencian in the Catalan language codes means that We have to fulfill the Change name Request? http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/iso639-2chform.html
or the usual one: http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/iso639-2form.html 

We think that We must fulfill the normal and usual on-line Request form for a new code but, please tell us if We're right. 

We have read all the documentation about the of the ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-1 but We have some doubts about two questions.

2. Criteria for ISO 639-2 

  a.. Number of documents. The request for a new language code shall include evidence that one agency holds 50 different documents in the language or that five agencies hold a total of 50 different documents among them in the language. Documents include all forms of material and is not limited to text. 
What you mean with "agency"?. A public library or the library of an institution/museum/association? The National Library of Spain, in Madrid or the Valencian Library, in Valencia...for example..no?. Are We right in this?.

We have to include all of this references to documents on the on-line Request form or We have to send it via postal mail to the Library of the Congress with 50 original books?. For us it's the same, We only have to know if you need only writed references of where the documents or books writed in Valencian language are...or you need 50 books writed in Valencian language via postal mail. The same for ISO 639-1; Is it right only with the specific references in the on-line request form or We must send all the "real" documents (magazines, glossarys, dictionaries, etc) via postal mail?.
1.3. Criteria for ISO 639-1 

  a.. Other considerations 
    a.. the number of speakers of the language community 
    b.. the recognized status of the language in one or more countries 
    c.. the support of the request by one or more official bodies 
Do you mean that for the ISO 639-1 We have to include a recommendation or an official document of the Valencian Regional Goverment affirming that they support the code ISO 639-1 for Valencian?. We mean that the Royal Academy of Valencian Culture is a public institution founded by the Valencian Province Government in 1915 and it continues being a public institution of the  Valencian Province Goverment and also of the Valencian Regional Goverment. Do you think that this condition It isn't sufficient for the ISO 639-1?.

In other way, as you will see, in the documents about the Valencian that we insert below of this mail, the Valencian is an official language in Valencia and it's considerate as an official minority language of Europe.

We will wait for your news. When We have clear all of this details We will begin to work in the documentation for ISO 639 for Valencian and We will send to you the on-line Request form. 

  Many thanks for all your attention,

                                      Joan Pau Merita
                           (Direction of Valencianlanguage.com)



BASIC DOCUMENTATION ABOUT THE VALENCIAN


The Article 7.1 of the Statute of the Valencian Community, which includes the provinces of Alacant, Castello and Valencia, reads: 

  "The two official languages of the Autonomous Community are the Valencian and the Castilian. Everyone has the right to know and use them".

The old Kingdom of Valencia was set up as an Autonomous Community in 1982, and the Law for the linguistic normalisation of the Valencian language was approved on 23 November, 1983, B.O.E. (Official State Bulletin of Spain) 20, of 20 January, 1984.

Source: www.gva.es Generalitat Valenciana (Website of the Valencian Government)



TEXT OF THE RATIFICATION OF SPAIN OF THE EUROPEAN CHARTER 
FOR REGIONAL OR MINORITY LANGUAGES


Spain:



Declarations contained in the instrument of ratification deposited on 9 April 2001 - Or. Spa.

Spain declares that, for the purposes of the mentioned articles, are considered as regional or minority languages, the languages recognised as official languagues in the Statutes of Autonomy of the Autonomous Communities of the Basque Country, Catalonia, Balearic Islands, Galicia, Valencia and Navarra. 

For the same purposes, Spain also declares that the languages protected by the Statutes of Autonomy in the territories where they are traditionally spoken are also considered as regional or minority languages.

Source: http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/EN/DeclareList.asp?NT=148&CM=8&DF=05/06/02  (Website of the Council of Europe)


Number of Speakers -The Valencian Community has a population 4.369.588 inhabitants, according to the census made in 2002. Almost half (54.5%) of the Valencian population speaks Valencian; it is the mother tongue of the 39% of the Valencians; 84 % of the population understand it. (Studies of the CIS., numbers 2228 and 2241, Centre for Sociological Research of Spain www.cis.es , Nov.-Dec. 1996, March-April 1997).

Source: http://www.cis.es/boletin/9/est3.html (Website of the Centre for Sociological Research of Spain)   

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