It was my understanding (although I'm not a voting member) that the vote was only for the T list.
Milicent Wewerka
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Although I'm not in favour of assigning identifiers based on the English
names of the languages, I wonder if it is really in the interest of the
standard to encourage the splitting of votes for T and B lists.
Regards
Anila
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Gerhard Budin <[log in to unmask]>@loc.gov> le 01/07/2004 16:09:16
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Objet : Re: Unresolved JAC issue - Spanish -- DISCUSSION until 9 July
2004
would it be possible to split the vote for the T and the B list? my vote
for esp is ONLY meant for the T list and NOT for the B list, in accordance
with the difference in policies for the two lists concerning English name
base for identifiers vs. vernacular name base!
regards
Gerhard
H=E5vard Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> That is absolutely correct (of course). Sorry for the typo! I shall
correct
> it before the second ballot is circulated.
>
> Håvard
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Milicent K Wewerka
> > Sent: 1. juli 2004 13:47
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Unresolved JAC issue - Spanish -- DISCUSSION
> > until 9 July 2004
> >
> >
> > Regarding the final statement on the ballot--I thought that
> > the ISO-639 alpha-3 "B" identifier would be "spa" regardless
> > of the outcome of the "T" identifier.
> >
> > Milicent Wewerka,
> > Library of Congress
> >
> > >>> Håvard Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]> 7/1/2004 3:48:45 AM >>>
> > Dear JAC members,
> >
> > The ballot below the # # # line has been voted on by JAC
> > voting members. The vote was not unanimous. Seven members
> > voted for the first alternative ("spa"); one member voted for
> > the second alternative ("esp"). According to JAC procedures
> > the issue is not resolved, and a second ballot will be called.
> >
> > However, we should allow a brief exchange of opinions before
> > we do so. The issue was discussed at the JAC meeting in
> > January, but many members of the wider JAC group weren't
> > present there.
> >
> > We do want to avoid introducing changes in the code table.
> > However, I find it a valid argument to claim that this is not
> > actually a "new change", since users of ISO 639-2 were
> > notified through the footnote that it will or might happen.
> >
> > Arguments please. I will circulate the second ballot to JAC
> > voting members on Saturday 10 July. That will be a simple
> > majority vote.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Håvard Hjulstad
> > (ISO 639 JAC secretary)
> >
> > # # # # # # # #
> >
> > JAC ballot 2004-01 - Alpha-3 identifier for Spanish
> >
> > Submitted by (your name, please):
> >
> > Please see below for additional information.
> >
> > Please vote for one alternative:
> >
> > __ I am in favour of retaining "spa" as alpha-3 T identifier
> > for "Spanish; Castilian / espagnol; castillan".
> >
> > __ I am in favour of changing the alpha-3 T identifier to "esp".
> >
> > Comments:
> >
> > * * * * * * * * *
> > In ISO 639-2:1998 the following footnote is found on pages
> > 18, 24, 46, and
> > 60:
> >
> > "After a period of five years from the publication of this
> > standard, esp may be used as the ISO 639-2/T (terminology
> > code) for Spanish." "Après une période de cinq ans suivant la
> > publication de cette norme, esp pourra être utilisé pour
> > l'espagnol autant que l'ISO 639-2/T (codet terminologique)."
> >
> > The text of the footnote has been interpreted in two different ways:
> > (1) After five years you may (you are allowed to) use "esp";
> > (2) After five years it may be decided whether the T
> > identifier should be changed from "spa" to "esp".
> >
> > The intended interpretation is (2). Unfortunately, based on
> > interpretation
> > (1) "esp" has been used in some documents.
> >
> > At the JAC meeting in Washington DC 2004-01-15/16 the
> > following was decided: "Because the published ISO 639-2
> > standard allows for the possible use of the code ESP for
> > Spanish after it has been removed from the list for five
> > years, a proposal to define this code for terminology use
> > (ISO 639-2/T) will be circulated to the ISO 639 JAC."
> >
> > Following the present ballot the footnote will be removed
> > from ISO 639-2, and "spa" or "esp" will be the only alpha-3 T
> > identifier (the alpha-3 B identifier will remain "esp"
> > regardless of the outcome of this ballot).
> >
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