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JACVOTE August 2004

Subject:

Re: JAC ballot 2004-06 - Jèrriais; Jersey Norman; Jersey Norman-French

From:

Eeva Murtomaa <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

ISO JAC Voting Member List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:32:11 +0300

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Håvard Hjulstad wrote:

> JAC ballot 2004-06 - Jèrriais; Jersey Norman; Jersey Norman-French
>
> PLEASE VOTE BY 2004-08-06.
>
> Submitted by (your name, please): Eeva Murtomaa
>
> Please see below for additional information.
>
>
> (A) -- Inclusion:
>
> (1)
>
> [Inclusion in the alpha-2 table is not being balloted.]
>
> (2)
>
> ___ I am in favour of including "Jèrriais; Jersey Norman; Jersey
> Norman-French" in 639-2 (alpha-3 code)
>
> _x__ I am opposed to including "Jèrriais; Jersey Norman; Jersey
> Norman-French" in 639-2 (alpha-3 code)
>
>
> (B) -- Identifiers:
>
> (Please vote even if you are opposed to the inclusion of the item.)
>
> (3)
>
> [Inclusion in the alpha-2 table is not being balloted.]
>
> (4)
>
> ___ I accept the alpha-3 identifier "jer" for "Jèrriais; Jersey Norman;
> Jersey Norman-French" (if to be included)
>
> _x__ I do not accept the alpha-3 identifier "jer" for "Jèrriais; Jersey
> Norman; Jersey Norman-French" -- Comment:
>
>
> (C) -- Language names:
>
> (Please vote even if you are opposed to the inclusion of the item.)
>
> (5)
>
> ___ I accept the English name "Jèrriais; Jersey Norman; Jersey
> Norman-French"
>
> _x__ I do not accept the English name "Jèrriais; Jersey Norman; Jersey
> Norman-French" -- Comment:
>
> (6)
>
> ___ I accept the French name "jèrriais; jersiais"
>
> _x__ I do not accept the French name "jèrriais; jersiais" -- Comment:
>
> (7)
>
> ___ I accept the indigenous name "jèrriais"
>
> _x__ I do not accept the indigenous name "jèrriais" -- Comment:
>
>
> (D)
>
> Other comments:
>
> * * * * * * * * *
>
> Additional information:
>
> Please find the original submission below.
>
> During the JAC discussion that was initiated on 2004-04-06 there have been
> loud voices against the inclusion of this item, but there have also been
> arguments in favour. One alternative, that has come up during the
> discussion, is to encode "Norman" as a separate item, and to include Jèrrais
> as a variant of Norman. If the present ballot should fail, a new ballot to
> that effect will be proposed.
>
> ORIGINAL SUBMISSION:
>
> This data was submitted on: Saturday, January 24, 2004 at 00:46:31
>
> lang_in_eng = Jèrriais, Jersey Norman, Jersey Norman-French lang_in_fre =
> Jèrriais, Jersiais ref_where_found_1 = http://societe-jersiaise.org/langsec/
>
> lang_in_vern = Jèrriais
> ref_where_found_2 = http://societe-jersiaise.org/langsec/
> trans_lit =
> evidence = La Section de la langue Jèrriaise de la Société Jersiaise
> (Plusieurs; Les Pages Jèrriaises alone contain almost 3000 pages)
>
> Les Pages Jèrriaises can be found here:
> http://www.societe-jersiaise.org/geraint/jerriais/
> addinfo = According to the most recent census, Jèrriais is spoken by between
> 2-3000 people on the isle of Jersey.  While French (alongside English) is
> the official language of the island, Jersey Norman is the native langugage,
> and has a literary tradition reaching back to Wace (the first Jèrriais
> writer, who said in the 12th century "Jo di è dirai ke jo sui Wace de l'isle
> de Gersui").
>
> Jèrriais is only one of several living Norman dialects (alongside
> Dgernesiais [Guernsey Norman], Sertchais [Sark Norman], and Nourmaund
> [continental Norman], but it has (perhaps only excepting continental Norman)
> the greatest number of speakers and the greatest literary base.  It has,
> without question, the greatest online presence of all the Norman dialects.
> The language has been fairly standardized recently (though dialectal
> variation throughout the island continues to persist), and is currently
> being taught in schools on Jersey.
>
> For these reasons, it seems appropriate to assign a code to Jèrriais rather
> than Norman (unless a code were to be made for each). request_addition = ISO
> 639-2 only 2_code_suggestion =
> 3_code_suggestion = .jer
> submit_name = Michael-Forest Meservy
> submit_email = [log in to unmask]
> submit_status = Long-distance student of language (via extensive web
> presence, multimedia CD-ROM, and various books).
>
> To speak with a more authoritative source on the language, contact Geraint
> Jennings (member of La Section de la langue Jèrriaise, and maître-pêtre
> [webmaster] of the Pages Jèrriaises - [log in to unmask]) or Tony
> Scott Warren (Jèrriais Teaching Coordinator in Jersey -
> [log in to unmask])
>

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