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ARSCLIST November 2004

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Re: Looking for recording date

From:

Peter Hirsch <[log in to unmask]>

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Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

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Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:10:05 -0500

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Steven C. Barr wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "digest Peter Hirsch" <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
>>I am trying to determine the recording and issue dates of a Columbia 12"
>>78. The disc has a green label and the catalog number is 55037-F. The New
>>York Liederkranz performs Mendelssohn's Der Jaeger's Abschied (Wer hat
>>
>>
>dich
>
>
>>du schoener Wald) under the direction of C.R. Fuchs-Jerin on one side. I
>>have searched all the usual discographies and Columbia catalogs that I
>>
>>
>have
>
>
>>on hand, but this one just seems to have fallen through some crack
>>somewhere. I assume that it is pre-1939, due to the unlikeliness of this
>>type record being too popular after the Anschluss.
>>
>>Anyone know anything about this one? It is in RDI, but the information is
>>pretty much transcription-generated gibberish.
>>
>>
>The Columbia -F series was used for foreign-language and "ethnic" records,
>with a different set of numbers assigned to different ethnic groups. Sadly,
>exact dates don't exist in most cases...the sides recorded in the US used
>a different matrix series than did the popular records, and those ledgers
>seem to have been discarded.
>
>Columbia issued separate catalogs for each group, and only a handful of
>the most generally good-selling items were included in the general
>catalogs. To further confuse things, the numeric series were, for the
>most part, continued through the CBS takeover of the label.
>
>There is an outside possibility the disc might be documented in
>Spottswood's Ethnic Discography. Beyond that you can only estimate...
>if the record bears a CBS-type label (the one used on "red Columbias")
>it was pressed sometime after the 1939 takeover, while if it has any
>of the earlier label styles those would at least identify the pressing
>(but not recording) dates. Likewise, if it bears a 6-digit matrix
>number (10xxxx or 11xxxx) it was recorded prior to mid-1934.
>
>Steven C. Barr
>
>
>
>
The label is a lovely shade of dull green; most of the other Columbia's
I have are blue and frequently have a tri-color sash draped across it.

Regards,

- Peter

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