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ISOJAC August 2005

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[Fwd: New 639-2 proposal: Karelian -- Discussion]

From:

John Clews <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:06:37 +0100

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I think that Karelian should definitely be included in ISO 639-2.

There _may_ even be a case for its inclusion in ISO 639-1, but information
on the current numbers of speakers is vital before deciding that inclusion
in ISO 639-1 would be a good thing.

I also note the comparison (partly because of Latin and Cyrillic
orthographies, but also because of other differences in the language
pairs) between the two language pairs listed below.

In each case _essentially_ the same language is involved, though
orthography and usage will differ.

(a) Finnish and Karelian,
and
(b) Romanian and Moldavian.

John Clews

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: New 639-2 proposal: Karelian -- Discussion
From:    Håvard  Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]>
Date:    Wed, August 17, 2005 11:47 am
To:      [log in to unmask]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear JAC members,

We have received a proposal to include Karelian in 639-2. Please see
proposal text below.

Current status:

- 639-1 and -2 do not contain Karelian. Encoding will currently have to be
"fiu = Finno-Ugrian (other)". In connection with the finalization of 639-1
there was a proposal to include "North Karelian". That proposal was not
accepted.

- 639-3 (and the Ethnologue) has "krl = Karelian". The main entry in
Ethnologue is under Russia (Europe), with a reference from Finland.

- Linguasphere has "Karely+Lüdi" as 41-AAA-b, subdivided into
"karyalan-N.", "karyalan-S.", "olonec", "lüdi-N.", "lüdi-S.", and "izhor".

The proposed identifier (krl) is that of 639-3.

There seems to be every reason to include this item in 639-2.

DISCUSSION please (until 2005-09-09).

Best regards,
Håvard

***********************************
This data was submitted on: Friday, March 18, 2005 at 08:23:48

lang_in_eng = Karelian

lang_in_fre = Carélien

ref_where_found_1 = http://www.kotus.fi/inenglish/
<http://www.kotus.fi/inenglish/>

lang_in_vern = karjala

ref_where_found_2 = http://www.kotus.fi/ <http://www.kotus.fi/>

trans_lit = -

evidence = Kotimaisten kielten tutkimuskeskus (Kotus), the Reasearch Inst=
itute for the Languages of Finland (RILF), has over 50 books in Karelian
in its libraries. Three Karelian tabloid size "newspapers" are published
once or twice a month. The work on a six-volume dictionary of the Karelian
language (ISSN 0355-543= 7, 0356-5769) has now been completed (after a
fifty-year effort by a full-time staff) at RILF as a joint effort with the
Finno-Ugrian Society, the publisher.

addinfo = Karelian is spoken primarily on either side of the south-east
boarder of Finland (with Russia). It is not an official minority language
of Finland nor Russia.

request_addition = ISO 639-2 only

2_code_suggestion
3_code_suggestion = KRL

submit_name = Erkki I. Kolehmainen

submit_email = [log in to unmask]

submit_status = Co-ordinator for ICT-related cultural diversity issues at
RILF and secretary of the national working group (with special funding
from the Ministry of Education).



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