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ARSCLIST January 2006

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Re: USB music card vs. onboard digitization

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"Richard L. Hess" <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:53:17 -0500

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Alyssa,

It's always good to hear your perspective. I've been rather pleased 
with my middle-of-the-road (i.e. not Weiss) RME Multifaces which keep 
the conversion outside the computer, but you're in the 
just-under-a-grand range for 8-channels when you buy the Multiface 
and its dedicated PCI card. The link between the two is on a 1394 
cable, but not 1394 protocol.

I also recently purchased a MOTU 828 MK II which is a 1394-connected 
device to go with my laptop. It offers eight line inputs and two mic 
inputs, simultaneously.

Arny Krueger has done a great job (although not always including the 
latest) of comparing in-PC sound cards.

http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm

The DAL card offers good value for money for stereo interfacing. I 
think Tom Fine can attest to that.

If you're going to spend the time to digitze 1000 records, I think 
spending a little time up front selecting an outstanding card (for 
the budget) makes sense. Of course, one also needs to pay attention 
to the analog chain as well. But time ends up being the most valuable 
commodity and doing something that has a mediocre result is, in the 
end, a waste of time.

Cheers,

Richard

Cheers,

Richard

At 12:59 AM 1/27/2006, Alyssa Ryvers wrote:
>Does resolving interrupts make the sound more satisfactory? 
>Enquiring minds want to know, because last time I resolved an 
>interrupt, it didn't. Doesn't mean it doesn't now, and I'm open to 
>hearing about that, because I'm always interested in keeping up, and 
>it's been years since I fuddled with interrupts on a sound card. I'm 
>sorry for the weird mood, but I do think from the tone of Mr. 
>Bresler's post, you might overwhelm him by suggesting he inspect 
>waveforms visually, etc. You start talking "Spectrum Analysis", and 
>you're making me nervous too
>
>
>I think exploring sound cards is a responsible way to go before you 
>take on a task of 1000 xfers. My 2c, but wouldn't know which is the 
>best of the low-end stuff. ProTools ain't worth writing home about, 
>and that's Medium end. Perhaps someone here has listened to the 
>lower end lately; certainly used to be better to keep the conversion 
>outside the computer. I wouldn't trust it inside. If these are 
>copies for yourself (you're transferring your personal collection 
>because you want to retire your turntable, etc.), not for 
>preservation purposes (the one pressed copy of your Grandmother 
>telling stories), then the decision isn't as critical. I still would 
>go for outside the box (computer), and wait to see if someone else 
>trolling on here has taken a listen to the converters under $X? Then 
>go take a listen for yourself, if you can, at a store using 
>headphones in a quiet(!) environment. Listen for noise, of course, 
>but also listen for warmth, brittleness - all these things 
>(converters) colour the sound, and in the end, you're going to have 
>to live with the best choice given the choices you present yourself 
>with. Take a listen to an Apogee converter, in order to compare with 
>something that is Professional quality (a number of music stores 
>have the Apogee MiniMe [$1000ish] kicking around). Be sure to listen 
>to the same sample and bit rate (ex: 44.1K, 16bit) on both the 
>Apogee and the lower end ones, otherwise you're comparing apples 
>with...even ProTools starts sounding like it maybe - might be - 
>reasonable - at 96K, 24bit [faster rates].
>
>And then you can compare all that to what you've already got, and voila!
>
>Best,
>
>Alyssa.
>:)
>
>"If someone, holding fast to the name of Bodhisattva Perceiver of 
>the World's Sounds should enter a great fire, the fire could not 
>burn him...If one were washed away by a great flood and call upon 
>his name, one would immediately find himself in a shallow place." 
>(The Lotus Sutra)

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