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Re: Library of Congress User Survey

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Heidi Hoerman <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:38:30 -0700

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I still find it a little odd that there cannot be educational users with different prices when there are different prices for other different levels of access.
   
  Libraries use these tools year round.  Students (and faculty to a great extent) use these tools for very short periods of time and make very limited uses.  The use is different. 
   
  The library buys a certain level based on year-round expectation of users.  I will have 50 potential users for the coming summer term because I am teaching both the courses (descriptive and subject) for which the tools are important.  I won't teach these courses again for 6-8 months.  I may only offer one of them.  I may have 8 students.  I may have 75.  Classes of students and departments of catalogers are a completely different ball game in terms of use.
   
  For now, for the summer term, the 30 day free trial will help.  For a regular semester?  It is awkward.  If LC decides to get rid of the free trial, we are up the creek.
   
  So, tell me, how do I calculate the level of use for an annual subscription.  Last I knew, the USC library was subscribing for 9 concurrent users.  My 50+ users will all need to make use of the system during the same short periods of time for exams, assignments, etc.  And then they will vanish.  Poof.
   
  So, I do not think you are charging different amounts for different people based on some illegal consideration.  You would establishing a new level of service with a new price: semester-long subscriptions for individual students which we would require like a required textbook.  It would need to be a reasonable fee based on expected use.  
   
  Until there is such a fee available, LC gets no money for student users.  
   
  Heidi
   
  Judith P Cannan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
  Boy, what a wonderful reply, congrats. --judy

Judith P. Cannan
Chief, Instructional Design and Training Division
(202) 707-2031
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Fax: (202) 707-0810

>>> [log in to unmask] 06/30/06 1:39 PM >>>
Heidi:

Thanks for raising the issue of "desk copy" access to Cataloger's Desktop and Classification Web. We have consulted with LC's Office for General Counsel (OGC) on this subject and they are very emphatic that it would violate federal law for us to either give away any product for which others pay, or to have differential pricing. Much as we would like to do what you are asking, we would be exposing ourselves to criminal prosecution if we did so.

Your best bet is to have your parent university subscribe to these products and pay the difference between their anticipated use level and your additional anticipated use. This is being successfully done in dozens of library schools.

Best wishes,

Bruce

Bruce Chr. Johnson
President, Association for Library Collections & Technical Services (ALCTS) 
a division of the American Library Association 

and 

Acting Assistant Chief
Cataloging Distribution Service
Library of Congress
Washington, DC 20540-4911 USA

202-707-1652 (voice) [log in to unmask] 
202-707-3959 (fax)

>>> Heidi Hoerman 06/30/06 1:06 PM >>>
Although this survey is aimed at those who use LC for its collections, I answered this so that my heavy use of the catalogs, authority files, and MARC pages for teaching would be recorded. I also made a point of the difficulty I have providing access to ClasWeb and Cataloger's Desktop to my students since no "onsite" licensing will work for us. 

Maybe this will be a way for us to get LC to recognize that to us faculty they are a publisher who is not making it possible for us to push their products to our students. 

All I want is "desk copy" access for me and semester long access for my registered students who are not doing their studying in our building -- heck some of our out-of-state cohort folks have never been in SC! Why is this so difficult for CDS to accommodate? We faculty are their best advertisers!

Heidi

Chad Abel-Kops wrote:
Dear All,

The Library of Congress wants to gain a better understanding of who its patrons are, what services they use, and the quality and value of those services. If you are a user of the Library of Congress, either on site or via the Web, we invite you to take a few minutes to give us your feedback using the online survey at:

http://osincsurvey.com/run/osl03loc 

This user survey is being conducted by Outsell, Inc. on behalf of the Library. All responses will be kept confidential. Only grouped data will be reported; your responses will not be singled out in the analysis. Thank you very much for using the Library of Congress.

CHAD ABEL-KOPS



Chad P. Abel-Kops
Senior Cataloger 
Library of Congress
Serial Record Division
Washington DC 20540-4160
202-707-6384 (phone)
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HEIDI LEE HOERMAN
SCHOOL OF LIBRARY AND INFORMATION SCIENCE
UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA, COLUMBIA, SC 29205
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HEIDI LEE HOERMAN
SCHOOL OF LIBRARY AND INFORMATION SCIENCE
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