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Subject:

Re: PREMIS and ISO

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jeroen bekaert <[log in to unmask]>

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PREMIS Implementors Group Forum <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:46:17 +0200

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A few things on ISO standards:

*) ISO standards are created under the umbrella of an official ISO working
group. (e.g. OAIS is guided by ISO TC 20/SC 13, in liaison with CCSDS;
MPEG-21 DID is guided by MPEG (aka ISO/IEC JTC 1 SC 29 WG 11).

*) An ISO standard is created in several stages. See also:
http://www.iso.org/iso/en/widepages/stagetable.html. New projects have to be
proposed, working draft created, (final) committee drafts put together, and
so on. The output document of each stage has to be approved upon by
participating National Bodies (ballot).

*) As far as I know, CCSDS 650.0 B 1 is different from ISO 14721:2003. CCSDS
650.0 B 1 is a document from CCSDS Panel 2, and is structured according to
CSSDS rules. ISO 14721:2003 is an ISO Standard, and is conformant with ISO
rules/templates/.... Both however may share/cover the same technical
content.

*) ISO standards are made publicaly available at a minimal price (range $100
- $200) on the ISO website. As far as I know, the reason for doing so is to
cover ISO's operational expenses.

*) A working group can request ISO to make one of its standards available
for free. Though, a strong motivation is required. Confer
http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2489/Ittf_Home/PubliclyAva
ilableStandards.htm
Herbert van de Sompel and myself succeeded in convincing MPEG to request ISO
to make ISO 21000-2:2005 available for free.

*) Re updates of standards. ISO makes a distinction between a Corrigendum
(removes typos and flaws from an ISO standard), Amendments (Adds extra stuff
to an ISO standard) and new version of standards (The new version will
replace the previous one).

Best regards,
jeroen

--
Jeroen Bekaert

Department of Architecture and Urban Planning
Faculty of Engineering, Ghent University
Jozef-Plateaustraat 22
B-9000 Ghent, Belgium
tel. +32 9 264 39 11
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: PREMIS Implementors Group Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Renhart Gittens
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 12:13 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [PIG] PREMIS and ISO
>
> Hi,
>
> I cannot answer this question directly but in researching mpeg-21 for
> Persistent Identifiers/ Content models. I found that the current list of
> freely (publicly) available standards can be accessed from
> http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2489/Ittf_Home/Publicl
> yAvailableStandards.htm .
>
> I don't know what the process is that gets them to be made public. There
> appear to be certain vested interests particularly in MPEG-21 ISO-21000
> as not all parts have been made public however that standard certainly
> overlaps with METS /MODS et al. I think ISO-21000 will become of greater
> significance and it might even be easier to integrate PREMIS into
> MPEG-21 DIDL than METS see
> http://arxiv.org/ftp/cs/papers/0509/0509084.pdf
>
> As PREMIS is attempting to address long-term issues I think it should be
> explored how to make PREMIS a publicly available ISO standard before
> another community suffering from NIHS decides to create a competitor.
>
> Renhart
> _____
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PREMIS Implementors Group Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> brandt
> Sent: 27 July 2006 09:42
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [PIG] PREMIS and ISO
>
> Hi,
>
> does anyone know more about the contracts of ISO regarding newer
> versions or developments of standards? Do followup reports have to be
> published through ISO? And is there a possible Open Access/Postprint
> model for such standards?
> I don't know which differences occured in the OAIS standard since the
> publication of the Blue Book. Had anyone the possibility to look into
> the ISO-version to compare the two versions?
>
> Olaf
>
>
> Ruth Duerr wrote:
> > OK, perhaps PREMIS isn't ready yet. However, not being an
> > "international standard" will limit the audience that can and will
> > implement PREMIS.
> >
> > Also, correct me if I am wrong; but, simply because a standard has
> > been published by ISO does not mean that the source standard has to be
>
> > removed from public access by the sponsoring standards body. For
> > example, the OAIS reference model (i.e., CCSDS 650.0 B 1 = ISO
> > 14721:2003) is still freely available on the web.
> >
> > - Ruth
> >
> > On Jul 24, 2006, at 8:51 AM, Rebecca S. Guenther wrote:
> >
> >> It seems a bit premature right now. We plan to do some revisions of
> >> the data dictionary and schemas in the next several months (the
> >> PREMIS web site documents some of those that are needed). After we
> >> convene the PREMIS Editorial Committee (whose first job will be to
> >> look at needed changes), we can revisit this question.
> >>
> >> One problem with ISO standards is that they are not freely available,
>
> >> which makes some people reluctant to go through the process. We would
>
> >> like to keep our documentation publicly and freely available.
> >>
> >> Rebecca
> >>
> >>>
> >>> R. Duerr
> >>> Data Stewardship Program Manager
> >>> National Snow and Ice Data Center
> >>> University of Colorado at Boulder
> >>>
>
> --
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> Olaf Brandt
> Project kopal
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