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Re: Antwort: Re: [MARC] A few questions about MARC 21

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Anne Munkebyaune <[log in to unmask]>

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MARC <[log in to unmask]>

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I tried to answer to Willy Troxler's mail about a week ago, 
but I don't think it ever reached the list, even if I got a 
message saying that it reached the list moderator. I try to 
resend it (see below), partly because it also relates to the 
reply from McRee Elrod. And I also want to say that I do 
agree with Karen Coyle. The systems approach to utilization 
of bibliographic information is often rather simplistic, and 
somtimes rather an abuse than a use.

Anne M.
------------------------------------------------------------
OK, but this example of 505 has only 2 levels. What do you 
do if you get a third level? (As in 13.6, example "The 
sacred books of the East")

My problem is not how to do it in my system (BIBSYS), but 
how to export records to a standard MARC 21 (irrespectively 
of who we export to). In BIBSYS we have a very good solution 
for multipart documents, which give a good overview of the 
the volumes and parts, a description method that is based on 
multilevel description (13.6). (But we also face some problems).

As I understand, 505 is not a tag for multilevel 
description, but for contents description. If 505 was 
supposed to support multilevel description, we would need a 
facility to express the third level, as far as I can see. We 
don't have that possiblity in MARC 21, if I haven't missed 
something. (???)

I also think that a solution for linking the whole and parts 
of multipart documents ought to be possible within MARC 21, 
and I don't understand why this isn't there already. 
Regardless wether you describe volumes according to AACRII 
13.3 or 13.6 this should be possible, and maybe 1.1B9 too.

I see that you have a 490 $w and this is good, I think, but 
it is not MARC 21. ;-)

Anne Munkebyaune

Willy Troxler wrote:

> In the German-speaking part of Switzerland, the university libraries use 
> multilevel description with 505, and - in some cases - with linking by the 
> Subfield 490 $w
> 
> Example with 505:
> 
> FMT
> BK
> LDR
> -----nam--22-----4u-4500
> 008
> 010523s2005----xxu-----------00----eng--
> 020
> |a 1-57105-156-2 (set)
> 040
> |a SzZuIDS HSG
> 245
> |a <<The>> legislative history of the International Criminal Court |c [ed. 
> by] M. Cherif Bassiouni
> 260
> |a Ardsley, NY |b Transnational Publishers |c 2005
> 300
> |a 3 vols.
> 490
> |a International and comparative criminal law series
> 505
> |g Vol. 1 |t Introduction, analysis, and integrated text of the statute, 
> elements of crimes and rules of procedure and evidence
> 505
> |g Vol. 2 |t <<An>> article-by-article evolution of the statute from 
> 1994-1998
> 505
> |g Vol. 3 |t Summary records of the 1998 diplomatic conference
> 
> Example with linking by 490 $w:
> Cataloging of the upper level:
> FMT
> BK
> LDR
> 00724nam--22002654u-4500
> 008
> 960419m19942005xxu-----------00----eng--
> 040
> |a SzZuIDS HSG
> 090
> |a 0413310
> 099
> |a Pa
> 245
> |a <<The>> Cambridge history of American literature |c general ed.: Sacvan 
> Bercovitch, associate ed.: Cyrus R. K. Patell
> 260
> |a Cambridge <etc.> |b Cambridge University Press |c 1994-2005
> 300
> |a 8 vols.
> 
> Cataloging for vol. 4:
> FMT
> BK
> LDR
> 00305nam--22001334u-4500
> 008
> 960419s2004----xxu-----------00----eng--
> 020
> |a 0-521-30108-4
> 040
> |a SzZuIDS HSG
> 090
> |a 0413319
> 245
> |a Nineteenth-century poetry 1790-1920 |c general ed. Sacvan Bercovitch
> 260
> |a Cambridge |b Cambridge University Press |c 2004
> 300
> |a 562 S.
> 490
> |a The Cambridge history of American literature |v Vol. 4 |i 4 |w 109871
> 700
> |a Bercovitch, Sacvan
> 
> In the Web-Catalog, you can link from the upper level to one of the parts 
> or back from the part to the upper level.
> (http://aleph.unisg.ch/F)
> 
> Willy Troxler
> *****************************************
> Willy Troxler                               Tel: +41 71 224 22 78
> Universitätsbibliothek                 Fax: +41 71 224 22 94
> Dufourstrasse 50                         www.biblio.unisg.ch
> CH-9000 St. Gallen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sherman Clarke <[log in to unmask]> 
> Gesendet von: MARC <[log in to unmask]>
> 27.11.2006 16:16
> Bitte antworten an
> MARC <[log in to unmask]>
> 
> 
> An
> [log in to unmask]
> Kopie
> 
> Thema
> Re: [MARC] A few questions about MARC 21 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Anne,
> North American practice does not employ multilevel description very 
> much, and therefore the MARC practice is not highly developed. The LC 
> rule interpretation for AACR2 13.6 reads simply:
> 
> Do not employ the technique of multilevel description in any case.
> 
> There are libraries (mostly special) that do significant cataloging of 
> offprints, analytics, separates, etc., usually using homegrown 
> techniques. Various MARC fields have been used for this, including 773, 
> other 76X-78X fields, 4XX/8XX with larger work treated as series, 580 
> and other note fields.
> 
> The Morgan Library, for example, uses 580 for offprints and 787 for 
> linking entry to parent, e.g.
> 
> 100 1_ |a Boehmer, R. M. |q (Rainer Michael) 
> 245 14 |a Ein früher neusumerischer Wisent aus Uruk / |c Rainer Michael 
> Boehmer. 
> 260 __ |a Innsbruck : |b Institut für Sprachwissenschaft der 
> Universität Innsbruck, |c [1986] 
> 300 __ |a p. [25]-30 : |b ill. ; |c 24 cm. 
> 504 __ |a Includes bibliographical references. 
> 580 __ |a Offprint from: Innsbrucker Beiträge zur Kulturwissenschaft, 
> Bd. 24, 1986. 
> 650 _0 |a Sculpture, Ancient |z Iraq |z Erech (Extinct city) 
> 651 _0 |a Iraq |x Antiquities. 
> 651 _0 |a Erech (Extinct city) 
> 787 1_ |t Innsbrucker Beiträge zur Kulturwissenschaft. 
> 
> This is a randomly selected example. If you go to 
> http://corsair.morganlibrary.org and search on "erech extinct city" you 
> will get 25 entries, several of which use this method. If you search 
> on "speculum", you will find analytics that use 773, e.g.
> 
> 040 __ |a NNPM |c NNPM 
> 100 1_ |a Jeanroy, Alfred, |d 1859-1953. 
> 245 14 |a Une hymne bilingue à Saint Nicolas ... 
> 300 __ |a p. 107-109. 
> 500 __ |a A 13th-14th century ms. hymn in French and Latin (with text) 
> to St. Nicholas in the Mazarin collection (3461A) in Paris. 
> 500 __ |a Signed: A. Jeanroy. 
> 650 _0 |a Illumination of books and manuscripts, French |y 13th 
> century. 
> 650 _0 |a Illumination of books and manuscripts, French |y 14th 
> century. 
> 650 _0 |a Hymns, French. 
> 650 _0 |a Hymns, Latin. 
> 600 00 |a Nicholas, |c Saint, Bp. of Myra. 
> 610 20 |a Bibliothèque Mazarine. |k Manuscript. |n 3461A. 
> 773 0_ |7 nnas |t Speculum |g Vol. 6 (1931) 
> 
> There may be other libraries that would be willing to share their 
> special methods for dealing with multilevel descriptions, and other 
> analytical methodologies.
> 
> The Germans do much more with multilevel descriptions than North 
> Americans.
> 
> Sherman Clarke
> NYU Libraries
> [log in to unmask]
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anne Munkebyaune <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:28 am
> Subject: Re: A few questions about MARC 21
> 
> 
>>Thank you very much for your response to my questions about
>>MARC 21. It was most helpful. But I am quite surprised to se
>>that MARC 21 gives little help on cataloguing on multiple
>>levels (AACRII, 13.6). Why is this so? Or have I
>>misunderstood something? I thought 505 could be used, but it
>>doesn't seem to possible to describe on more than two levels
>>here. The third level is not possible to express as
>>subordinate to the first 505. I may be on the wrong track
>>here. Can anyone give me some directions?
>>
>>Anne Munkebyaune
>>
> 
> 

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