Old Telefunken tape was designed to stay on the hub and no reel was
necessary. At some point this changed- I'd guess in the mid 1960s.

This tape was noroius for sheding red oxide. Anyone who used it won't
forget its distinctive feel.

Steven Smolian

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lennick" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Transporting 10 inch pancakes


>A CBC producer I worked with in Edmonton had been a tonmeister in Germany,
>where they work exclusively with pancakes, not reels. He said you weren't a
>pro until you'd rescued a master that had fallen off the hub.
>
> And another CBC producer in Ottawa was trying to put together three
> programs based on piano roll recordings that had come from Australia via
> the EBU and had one roll he had to spend hours rescuing before we could
> use it (I think we were going to go live to air on that one, too!).
>
> THEN there was the situation at CJRT in Toronto in the mid 60s, where
> professionals did much of the daytime programming and students recorded
> some other shows, including an all-night program which was done at slow
> speed on thin tape and played by an automated system involving two Crowns
> and a relay that triggered the second machine when the first tape ended.
> This involved cutting the tape at the desired switchover point and leaving
> it attached to nothing, since the trigger was a light beam in the first
> machine. Invariably the tape wouldn't stop and the morning man would come
> in to find gazillions of bits of tape flung all over the studio. And on
> one occasion, the professional (it was Ted O'Reilly, doing his Jazz show
> live) must have rewound the all night tape and had it pack up inside the
> reel and had to try and rescue the tape without destroying it..because he
> triumphantly announced on the air that there WOULD be an all night show
> after all.
>
> dl
>
> Kiwi O'Connell wrote:
>> I agree with Parker, Richard and Tom. You really don't want your
>> precious
>> tapes looking like this -
>> http://www.cupsnstrings.com/xSites/Agents/cupsnstrings/Content/UploadedFiles
>> /Ugly%20Tape.jpg
>>
>> The client said "some tape came off the reel"! It took 86 hours to get
>> this
>> 1/4 inch analog tape back on to a 10.5 inch reel. Proper packaging is
>> paramount!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Marie
>>
>> Marie O'Connell
>> Sound Archivist/Audio Engineer/Sound Consultant
>> 3017 Nebraska Avenue
>> Santa Monica, CA, 90404
>> Ph: 310-453-1615
>> Fax: 310-453-1715
>> Mobile: 601-329-6911
>> www.cupsnstrings.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Parker Dinkins
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:27 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Transporting 10 inch pancakes
>>
>> on 2/6/07 3:59 PM US/Central, Jerry McBride at [log in to unmask]
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have experience with moving a collection of quarter-inch
>>> tapes, as ten-inch pancakes in their original boxes? It seems logical to
>>> assume that it would be safer to ship or move tape on reels. How great
>>> is the danger that the pancake will come unwound under normal shipping
>>> and moving conditions if stored on hubs in the original boxes?
>>
>>
>>
>> AES Standard for audio preservation and restoration- Magnetic tape - Care
>> and handling practices for extended usage (AES49-2005):
>>
>>
>> 4.5.5 Flangeless hubs
>>
>> Sometimes magnetic tape is stored on flangeless hubs. When this practice
>> is
>> used, the following recommendations shall be observed:
>>
>> a) Only backcoated tape designed for storage on a flangeless hub shall be
>> stored in this manner. Non-backcoated tape will not wind properly and is
>> at
>> high risk of falling off the tape pack.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>> In the past week I've received and repaired two broken tape packs which
>> were
>> stored on flangeless hubs.
>>
>> One of these was backcoated tape which didn't travel via common carrier
>> at
>> all. The other was non-backcoated and packed tightly with a styrofoam
>> tape
>> spacer.
>
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