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Subject:

Re: Ellington, wasRe: [ARSCLIST] Harry Carney

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Rod Stephens <[log in to unmask]>

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Sun, 4 Feb 2007 15:55:37 -0800

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Don't forget his suite, Black, Brown and Beige which has a piece called 
Come Sunday.   So, he wrote religious (gospel) stuff, too.   We sang an 
a cappella version of it for a Jazz Evensong at our church, and it's 
probably one of the toughest choral compositions to sing well and keep 
in tune with all of the dissonances and passing notes.   This gives some 
info on it and a link to Amazon for the album (click on the album cover) 
he did with Mahalia Jackson from the Carnegie Hall Concerts, January 
1943.   <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000000ZFV/$%7B0%7D>
http://www.songtrellis.com/sounds/viewer$381?mute

Here's a more commercial version, but it gives you an idea of the text 
and chord progressions that are so Ellington.  Dig the text. 
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000000ZFV/$%7B0%7D>

http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/pages.html?cart=337960336713544370&target=smp_detail.html%26sku%3DHL.50485908&s=pages-www.google.com/search&e=/sheetmusic/detail/HL.50485908.html&t=&k=&r=wwws-err5

Rod Stephens

Tom Fine wrote:

> Yes! You hit on exactly what I like Ellington so much too. He has this 
> band with all these textures. Hot spice available at any time from Cat 
> Anderson and to a lesser extent from Lawrence Brown or Gonsalves. Then 
> he's got this beautiful melodic Johnny Hodges and his section 
> arrangements to build around, plus his piano playing which I think is 
> highly underappreciated. Also the bass and drum lines are great. Like 
> I said, he was absolutely expert at using teh whole ensemble as his 
> instrument. What I especially appreciate is that unlike a guy who 
> aspires to be a Composer with a capital C, Ellington's originals are 
> written around the band he had, playing on everyone's strengths for 
> texture. Sure, others can and have done great interpretations of 
> Ellington's pieces (including many side efforts by his own sidemen), 
> but they're always different from the original because the original is 
> truly of the time and place it was written and recorded. Some would 
> say Pete Rugolo's arrangements for Stan Kenton were similar, or Woody 
> Herman's building his arrangements around the sax Brothers, but I'd 
> say Ellington took it to a whole different level. Two great examples 
> from his Reprise era --
> 1. the first session he did was the Ellington orchestra, circa 1960, 
> take on swing era classics. The album "Will Big Bands Ever Come Back?" 
> was at once a eulogy and celebration of the big band classics, but 
> with a very distinct Ellington touch. He only included one of his own 
> classics.
>
> 2. "Ellington '65" and "Ellington '66" are as close as he ever got to 
> down right schmaltz, but yet in the end I think they redeem their 
> cool. Unlike a pop/easy listening interpreter of Beatles and Dylan 
> songs that dominated the public ears and airwaves at that time, 
> Ellington steps back and figures out how to take those songs and make 
> them work with his "instrument." And then he signs off on each album 
> with a solid dose of swing.
>
> I also love several later Ellington small-group outings. "Duke 
> Ellington Meets Coleman Hawkins" is one of the most stunning sessions 
> ever captured on tape, in my opinion. And "Back to Back" with Johnny 
> Hodges is also amazing. I'm not as big a fan of "Duke Ellington Meets 
> John Coltrane" because I don't think either man really understood 
> where the other was coming from but there was respect between them so 
> they tried to meet in the middle.
>
> Another great later album is "This One's For Blanton" on Pablo, just 
> Duke Ellington and Ray Brown stretching out and leaving nothing in 
> reserve.
>
> Wow, sorry to get so rhapsodic. Can you tell I really like and respect 
> Duke Ellington?
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "phillip holmes" 
> <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:25 PM
> Subject: [ARSCLIST] Ellington, wasRe: [ARSCLIST] Harry Carney
>
>
>> Ellington does sound stuffy at first, but once your ear has adjusted, 
>> it's the coolest thing in jazz.  Cool in a "we've been there 100 
>> times, and done it 1,000 times, so just be cool daddy" way. There are 
>> other musicians that take repeated listening to appreciate.  I hated 
>> Coltrane the first time I heard him.  After getting past some of the 
>> superficial stuff, I was able to listen to the music.  Mozart sounds 
>> deceptively simple.  Great playing makes Mozart sound easy, but it 
>> sure isn't easy to play.  I digress.  The way Ellington used Cat 
>> Anderson is genius.  Most band leaders would have Anderson screeching 
>> and wailing all night long.  Duke holds him in reserve till it's time 
>> for the coup de grace!  I can vividly remember the "OH, holy crap!" 
>> moment I had when I listened to "Anatomy of a Murder".  On the last 
>> cut, "Upper and Outest", it starts so cooool with a funky figure in 
>> the sax section, and you can really hear Carney too, then it just 
>> switches gears and here comes Cat Anderson.  And it's not some gauche 
>> Maynard Ferguson-esque, hey-look-me-over, spectacle.  Just so tasty 
>> and so right.  I find myself holding my breath at the end of that.  
>> The little staccato squeaks and the oh-so-soft sustained chord under 
>> Anderson, all perfectly balanced. It just dissipates into some other 
>> part of the universe.  Just amazing.  Carney is featured on "Hero to 
>> Zero" with Gonsalves.  That band had so many good musicians, it was 
>> like one of these basketball teams where you can't find enough 
>> playing time for everyone.  The movie is good.  And great art work by 
>> Saul Bass.  They don't make them like that any more, and they never 
>> will.  Where was Anatomy of a Murder recorded?
>> Phillip
>>
>> Tom Fine wrote:
>>
>>> Some jazz fans find his music too stuffy or dated, but then I can't 
>>> get into the disorganized non-melody-based stuff of later on (later 
>>> on to me is the stuff after bebop and before fusion, all the stuff 
>>> that led to dead ends and killed off jazz for most people). All that 
>>> stuff is mostly forgotten, except among critics, but you can play 
>>> Duke Ellington for almost anyone and they'll soon be smiling and 
>>> feet tapping. If they're a musician, they'll still understand how 
>>> hard it is to write and play what Duke was up to and they'll be 
>>> impressed.
>>>
>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "phillip holmes" 
>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 2:45 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Harry Carney
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the leads.  I'll start searching.  I'm amazed by the 
>>>> number of Ellington dates/sides/albums.  I've got quite a few, but 
>>>> they tend to be from the late '50s and on. "Festival Junction" is 
>>>> amazing.  It was so good my wife took notice.  That whole album is 
>>>> amazing.
>>>> Michael Fitzgerald wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At 11:18 PM 2/3/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone on this list probably has encyclopedic knowledge of Duke 
>>>>>> Ellington.  In all my Ellington stuff, I can only think of two 
>>>>>> records with solos by Harry Carney.  Any recommendations?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a bunch - some briefer than others. The following is by 
>>>>> no means complete.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sophisticated Lady (many - but not all - recordings)
>>>>> Frustration (many recordings)
>>>>> Got Everything But You (1928)
>>>>> I Must Have That Man (1928)
>>>>> Stepping Into Swing Society (1938)
>>>>> Jack The Bear (1940)
>>>>> So Far, So Good (1940)
>>>>> Cotton Tail (1940)
>>>>> Blue Goose (1940)
>>>>> At A Dixie Roadside Diner (1940)
>>>>> My Greatest Mistake (1940)
>>>>> Sepia Panorama (1940)
>>>>> Five O'Clock Whistle (1940)
>>>>> Sidewalks Of New York (1940)
>>>>> Jumpin' Punkins (1941)
>>>>> John Hardy's Wife (1941)
>>>>> Chocolate Shake (1941)
>>>>> The Brown-Skinned Gal (1941)
>>>>> I Don't Know What Kind Of Blues I Got (1941)
>>>>> Perdido (1942)
>>>>> I Don't Mind (1942)
>>>>> Work Song (from Black, Brown, & Beige) (1944)
>>>>> Prelude To A Kiss (1945)
>>>>> Black And Tan Fantasy (1945)
>>>>> In A Sentimental Mood (1945)
>>>>> Blues Is The Night (1946)
>>>>> Just You, Just Me (1946)
>>>>> My Honey's Lovin' Arms (1946)
>>>>> Memphis Blues (1946)
>>>>> Royal Garden Blues (1946)
>>>>> Golden Feather (1946)
>>>>> Progressive Gavotte (1947)
>>>>> Ultra Deluxe (1953)
>>>>> Falling Like A Raindrop (1954)
>>>>> Festival Junction (1956)
>>>>> Prima Bara Dubla (1958, with Gerry Mulligan)
>>>>> Villes Ville Is The Place, Man (1959)
>>>>> In A Mellotone (1959)
>>>>> Stay Awake (from Mary Poppins) (1964)
>>>>> Agra (from Far East Suite) (1966)
>>>>> A Chromatic Love Affair (1967)
>>>>>
>>>>> Carney also was featured clarinet soloist on Rockin' In Rhythm. He 
>>>>> can be heard on bass clarinet on I Let A Song Go Out Of My Heart 
>>>>> and Black Beauty (both 1945). Early on he played alto and soprano 
>>>>> as well and solos on alto on What Can A Poor Fellow Do and on 
>>>>> soprano on Blue Bubbles (both 1927). Be careful in this early 
>>>>> period since Otto Hardwick also played baritone (and bass sax) and 
>>>>> some baritone solos are by him.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the DESOR discography - Duke Ellington's Story On 
>>>>> Records - by Massagli, Pusateri and Volonte indicates soloists, so 
>>>>> if you really want a comprehensive list, it should be able to 
>>>>> supply the information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lastly, FWIW, Carney led a few dates - 1946 for HRS (now on a 
>>>>> Mosaic boxed set); 1947 for WAX (now on a Storyville CD); 1947 for 
>>>>> Clef (on the Verve CD The Jazz Scene); 1954 for Clef (now on a Ben 
>>>>> Webster Verve CD); and 1960 for Columbia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> mike at jazzdiscography.com
>>>>> www.jazzdiscography.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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