Matter of fact I'm just listening to Tabor on what may be a first pressing.
Major breakup on the drums and tuttis about 5 minutes in..cleaner with a .7 mil
stylus (I first tried a 1-mil). Very clean pressing, no surface noise.
dl
Tom Fine wrote:
> Well, to each their own. The critics did not agree with you in most
> cases. The Mercury mono reissue CD's sold very well worldwide and are
> now available again as a 4 or 5CD (forgot which) set, all the Kubeliks.
> I personally greatly prefer the CD's to the original LPs (which we have
> excellent-condition copies of). Again, everyone's entitled to an
> opinion. I'll grant you that the master tapes were over 40 years old in
> 1996, but it was amazing how they played back OK. The LPs noisy surface
> may mask some of the limitations of tape, machine and microphone.
>
> If the "Tabor" is what I heard, we have very different opinions. I heard
> all sorts of digital artifacts, obvious tape degradation and a
> non-realistic stereo pickup. But again, to each their own.
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Abrams"
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>> What I am saying is that the Mercury Living Presence CD issued in 1996
>> of "Ma Vlast" does not sound good. I remember the LPs sounding better
>> though I only had them on a cheap reissue in the UK on the Wing
>> label. The stereo issue of "Tabor" that I know came out last year on
>> Music & Arts and was restored by Mark Obert-Thorne. It sounds much
>> better than the mono version.
>>
>> Steve Abrams
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fine"
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>>
>>> Hi Steve:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the RCA clarification. It was the same set of sessions I
>>> thought but different works.
>>>
>>> Yes, Bert Whyte was permitted by Mercury to bring his 2-track
>>> Magnecorder and place a pair of U-47 mics at the Kubelik session.
>>> Some of the tapes were issued on a small label CD in recent years and
>>> sound terrible to my ears. Could be the tape is deteriorated, could
>>> be the playback or transfer equipment wasn't good. Could be the
>>> engineer didn't properly line up the staggered tracks, etc. They
>>> definitely over-used digital noise-zapping tools so there are
>>> digi-artifacts galore. I imagine the tapes sounded better when they
>>> were new and played back on that Magnecorder.
>>>
>>> Bert's tapes were a personal experiment. Never intended for release.
>>> Not particularly praised or lauded by the professionals involved in
>>> the session. In fairness to Bert, this was pioneering in many
>>> respects, as was his pioneering use of magnetic film recording for
>>> Everest. Bert wrote a really nice column for Radio & TV News in 1956
>>> about the day he was invited to the studio to hear the first Mercury
>>> 3-track tapes that were ready for release. He was treated to a
>>> full-monty 3-speaker extravaganza.
>>>
>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Abrams"
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>>>
>>>
>>>> Not quite. The Munch Damnation of Faust in February 1954 was
>>>> recorded in stereo but only issued in mono. Something happened to
>>>> the stereo tapes. The Reiner recordings of Heldenleben and Salome's
>>>> dance were recorded on March 6th. Zarathustra came two days later
>>>> on the 8th. However - and you should be able to shed some light on
>>>> this - some stereo recordings were made by Bert Whyte at the
>>>> December 1952 sessions of the Chicago Symphony recording Ma Vlast
>>>> under Kubelik. 'Tabor' recorded on December 6th has recently been
>>>> issued on Music and Arts in a transfer by Obert-Thorne. The very
>>>> unpleasant overload distortion on the Mercury Living Presence mono
>>>> set, very evident on the CD issue, is not evident in the stereo
>>>> version.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Abrams
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fine"
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'd be interested to know what's on them and who released them. I
>>>>> do not believe you'll find that they are in fact 2T stereo. They
>>>>> are likely half-track (2-sided) mono. If they are stereo, it would
>>>>> be very interesting to know who put them out as in 1952 only a few
>>>>> people were experimenting with 2-channel stereo recording of music.
>>>>> No major labels yet, although I believe RCA started making 2T
>>>>> masters in 1954 or even 1953 -- I think Zarathustra with Reiner was
>>>>> the first 2T session.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Palmer"
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>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:29 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops
>>>>> question)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought my first 2 track tapes for my reel recorder/player in
>>>>>> the Base Exchange in Sidi-Slimane, Morocco in 1952. I still have
>>>>>> a couple of them in fact. Jack
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fine"
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>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:40 AM
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>>>>>> question)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ampex developed their own, was developed by Leon Wortman in NY
>>>>>>> and detailed in a 1951 Radio & TV News article. Wortman's line
>>>>>>> made full-track or half-track tapes. Commercial half-track tapes
>>>>>>> were available as early as 1951 or 1952, but there was only a
>>>>>>> very small consumer market for reel to reel machines at that
>>>>>>> point. > Because this was a new format sold at a premium price, a
>>>>>>> lot of QC attention was paid by the reputable companies in this
>>>>>>> era, so the net quality is very high. Akin to what happened when
>>>>>>> stereo LPs came along.
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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