Following are some comments on the March 21, 2007 draft of Chapter 3. They
are basically the same as what I sent to the RDA list earlier this month. I
am submitting these to this list as food for thought only. The instructions
for submitting formal comments say to select a single channel for providing
comments, and I am already on a couple of RDA task forces, both of which
feed into the CC:DA response. Therefore, I don't want to submit these as
formal comments, but rather as thoughts which I had when I read the draft.
Other people can pursue anything which might strike them as important for
the formal PCC comments. I thought people might be particularly interested
in the comments that are not related to continuing resources - the two task
forces that I am on only deal with serials and integrating resources.
Background, Specific Elements (cover letter, p. 9) Media type, Carrier
type, and Content type - I like the use of the term "volume" instead of "book".
Same section, Changes in carrier characteristics (cover letter, p. 10) - I
like not requiring a new description if a resource changes carrier.
However, it's not always easy to tell whether the carrier has changed or
there are simultaneous carriers. In addition, what's true today may not be
true tomorrow. For example, it may look like the publisher has changed from
print to online, but then the publisher goes back and digitizes past issue
so it later looks like it was issued simultaneously in print and online.
Actually, was a change from carrier type such as volume to carrier type
such as online resource intended to be included in this guideline? Or was
it intended only for changes in carrier type within the same media type,
such as a change from CDROM to DVD, which would both be media type
computer. After having said that, I went to look at the list of carrier
types in 184.108.40.206 and I don't see either CDROM or DVD. It looks to me like
they would both be called computer disc. Is that correct?
I know no constituency response is needed for Appendix 1, but I was curious
what a serial example would look like, so I tried to do one, to see if I
understood the concepts and to see if there are any special problems with
serials. After going through the exercise, I wonder if there should be
something in the carrier or content description that says this is a serial.
As much as I dislike the "v." in the 300, I know that it is sometimes used
as a clue that a record is for a serial. Or will we rely on other clues
like bibliographic format, presence of 362 information, etc.?
I am curious about the 2 cartographic examples E and F. For the Globe,
wouldn't Carrier type be "other unmediated carrier"? (see 220.127.116.11.3)
Actually, why isn't globe listed as an unmediated carrier? For the Map,
wouldn't Carrier type be sheet? It is listed under unmediated carrier in
18.104.22.168.2. Under 22.214.171.124a.2, it shows a carrier type of sheet and then the
extent of the same resource as 1 map. If it's not on a sheet, wouldn't the
Carrier type be "other unmediated carrier"?
Now for comments on Chapter 3 itself.
126.96.36.199, "When describing a facsimile or reproduction, record the elements
describing the carrier as they apply to the facsimile or reproduction." - I
think there should be a reference to 188.8.131.52.3, "Apply the instructions
given under 184.108.40.206-220.127.116.11, if desired, as an alternative means of
specifying the number of subunits in a resource of any carrier type in
which text is presented in a format that parallels that of a printed or
manuscript volume(s) ... (e.g., a microfilm reproduction of an atlas, a
digital text in PDF)."
18.104.22.168a.1, Resource issued in successive parts, "If carrier
characteristics are changed (or if new carrier characteristics are
introduced) in a subsequent issue or part, record the changed (or new)
characteristics as instructed under 3.6-3.20." - I don't understand the
reference to 3.6-3.20. Sections 3.6-3.20 are Base material, Applied
material, Mount, Production method, Generation, etc. Also, same section
last sentence, "Make a note if the change is considered important for
identification or selection (see 22.214.171.124a)." That should be 126.96.36.199.1a.1.
188.8.131.52b.1. Last sentence, see reference should be to 184.108.40.206.1b.1.
220.127.116.11 - I have a question on the media type. If it's online audio or
video, is the media type computer rather than audio or video?
18.104.22.168.2 - I wonder if it would be possible to put the list of types of
carrier in a table like the types of media in 22.214.171.124.2. I think it would
be easier to find a specific list/table quickly if they all have the same
format. Audio carriers, etc. could be in the column on the left and then
audio cartridge, audio cylinder, audio disc, etc., in the column on the
right. It could be called Table 2. I was also curious why globe wasn't
included under Unmediated carriers.
126.96.36.199.3 - "Optional addition. When the resource is complete (or if the
total number of units issued is known), add the number of units." I think
it might be good to have a reference to 188.8.131.52.1a.1, "For serials, record
the extent by giving the number of bibliographic volumes ... . "
184.108.40.206.4 - "For resources consisting of text in other media (e.g.,
microforms), follow the basic instructions given under 3.4.0." This seems
to contradict what it just said in 220.127.116.11.3, "Apply the instructions given
under 18.104.22.168-22.214.171.124, if desired, as an alternative means of specifying
the number of subunits in a resource of any carrier type in which text is
presented in a format that parallels that of a printed or manuscript
volume(s) ... (e.g., a microform reproduction of an atlas, a digital text
in PDF)." If I understand this correctly, the rule for a microform would be
to record the extent as x microfilm reels (126.96.36.199.1), but as an
alternative, you could give the extent as x volumes if it's a microfilm
reproduction of a text serial (188.8.131.52.3). If that is indeed correct, I
think it might be clearer to have the rule in 184.108.40.206.4 precede the
alternative in 220.127.116.11.3. Actually, having read this again, it occurred to
me that maybe what it is saying is that you could record the extent of a
microfilm reproduction as 3 reels (6 volumes). If that is correct, then
maybe there needs to be a reference to 18.104.22.168. Also one from 22.214.171.124 to here.
126.96.36.199.1b.1 - If someone customizes RDA for serials, will this rule be
included? If not, then I think there should be a reference to it from
188.8.131.52.1a.1, even though it is right before this rule.
184.108.40.206.1 - "Make a note if not all units of a resource issued in more than
one unit have been issued and it appears that the resource will not be
continued (see 220.127.116.11)." Example is "No more published". I wondered if
this rule applied to serials. Serials are included in section 18.104.22.168,
"More than one volume" Is that different than "Resource issued in more than
one unit ..." (22.214.171.124)?
126.96.36.199.4 - "Alternative: If the carriers ... are of more than 2 sizes,
record the greatest height of any of them followed by the greatest width of
any of them and or smaller". I was wondering whether we will apply this to
serials. There is a reference from 188.8.131.52.1a.1, Resource issued in
successive parts, to 184.108.40.206, so I assume we could say "32 cm or smaller"
for a serial run which consists of volumes of more than 2 sizes. I think I
like this alternative.
220.127.116.11 - There are no instructions for a multipart monograph issued
simultaneously. Is it possible that such a resource could have volumes with
18.104.22.168.1a.2 - Reference should be to 22.214.171.124.1a.1.
126.96.36.199.1b.1 - Reference should be to 188.8.131.52.1b.1.
184.108.40.206.1a.1 - I just want to be sure that I understand this rule. Does it
mean that a change from CDROM to DVD would not require a new record? How
about CDROM to online? How about print to CDROM? How about print to online?
Addendum to RDA Part A - Chapter 4
I'm wondering whether chapter 4 should precede chapter 3. Chapter 4 deals
with attributes of the work and expression and chapter 3 deals with
attributes of the manifestation. The order of chapter 4 has attributes of
the work preceding attributes of the expression. So the overall order is
manifestation, then work, then expression. It seems to me like it should
either be manifestation, then expression, then work or it should be work,
then expression, then manifestation. I seem to remember a discussion about
this with the previous draft, but I can't remember what the order was
before. I'm at my daughter's house and don't have anything with me except
the 21 March 2007 draft of Chapter 3 and Addendum to Chapter 4. This is not
something I feel strongly about, just something that struck me as I looked
at the contents to Chapter 4.
220.127.116.11.2 - I noticed the table in this section is called Table 1, so I
assume the numbering of tables starts over with each chapter. I wonder if
it would make more sense to give each table a unique number in case someone
wants to go directly to a table in the online version of RDA.
18.104.22.168 - I was wondering why Braille is sometimes capitalized and
sometimes not. It appears from the notes under the examples in 22.214.171.124.3
that if a resource is described by an agency in the United Kingdom, it is
capitalized and if described by an agency in the United States it is not.
This seems like a picky difference to me. What if described by an agency in
Canada? What about Australia?
Well, I think that's it. Thanks for the opportunity to comment.
At 09:16 AM 4/23/2007, you wrote:
>Hello fellow PCC advocates,
>Just a friendly reminder, if you intend to comment, May 14 -- Public
>comments on Chapter 3 of RDA from web form due
>Separate from this, I will summarize any comments on behalf of PCC sent to
>me as liaison to CC:DA by the following week of May 18.
>Peter Fletcher, PCC Liaison to CC:DA
>Peter V. Fletcher
>Serials & Electronic Resources Catalog Librarian, Bibliographer for
>Germanic/Slavic, Senior Consulting Area Technical Liaison
>Howard-Tilton Memorial Library
>New Orleans, LA 70118