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Re: Is The Record Shop Dead?

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Jack Palmer <[log in to unmask]>

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Sun, 1 Jul 2007 21:08:33 -0400

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    Thank goodness I didn't get mentioned in any of those stories.  Of 
course, I only visited about twice a year on my way through Dallas.  And I 
think I was pretty well-behaved for a collector!            Jack

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "phillip holmes" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Is The Record Shop Dead?


> Comments inserted:
>
> Dismuke wrote:
>> --- phillip holmes <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Did you know I was thinking of Collectors' Records?
>> .......  Did you ever meet John Stainze
>>
>>> there?
>>
>> I would probably recognize him if I saw him - I never
>> really knew people's names there.  Except for the
>> older gentleman in the back with the 78 whose name I
>> usually can remember but forget at the moment.  He
>> passed away before the store closed.
>>
>>
>>
> John had a British accent and was an A&R guy at Vertigo (or?) who signed 
> Dire Straits.  Great guy with great stories that moved to the US and 
> buys/sells records for a living now.
>
> I think Louis is who you're talking about--the old guy in the back.
>
> Read Lisa's blogs about Collectors (but not out loud--not for the 
> squeamish or the easily offended):
> http://cathead9.blogspot.com/2007/02/my-old-job.html
> http://cathead9.blogspot.com/2007/05/more-record-store-ies.html
> http://cathead9.blogspot.com/2007/05/son-of-record-store-ies.html
> By the way, that's not a picture of her on the page.  I don't know who 
> that guy is.
>
>>>  Am I supposed to cry because the Virgin
>>> Megastore left Dallas?
>>
>> I wasn't even aware it left.  I went to the Grapevine
>> Mills location once - and yawned.
>>
>>
>
> They can all go out of business.  Waste of time!  Pop culture crap for 
> poseurs.
>>
>>> However, I was
>>> sad when Tower died.  They were the last CD Store to carry a deep
>>> catalog and they even sold records, making it a record shop.  Tower was 
>>> a
>>> chain of real record shops.
>>
>> I went to the one in New York City on Broadway not too
>> far from Greenwich Village a couple of years ago.  It
>> was one of the only times in my life as an adult I
>> actually had to make a choice between which brand new
>> CDs of 1920s and 1930s reissues I wanted to buy as I
>> had already picked out about $200 worth of stuff. They even had British 
>> releases of reissues that I was
>> not even aware existed.   THAT store would have been
>> wonderful to have had in Fort Worth/Dallas.
>>
>>
> The Dallas location was pretty good.  They'd try to get anything you asked 
> for.  The people were interested in selling records (CDs) and were pretty 
> knowledgeable.
>
>> On the other hand, when I was in Atlanta several years
>> ago I went out of my way to visit the Tower Records
>> there and found absolutely nothing of interest.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Perhaps people are just too stupid or have no taste.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Or they are victims of a popular culture that
>> introduces them to nothing but garbage.  They don't
>> know anything better - because for so many years,
>> unless one was fortunate enough to have cultured
>> family members or other influences, it was almost
>> impossible for kids with limited spending money to
>> access other music.  All that was there was AM/FM type
>> drivel. Thankfully, the Internet today gives kids who
>> are willing to explore new genres the opportunity to
>> do so.   And, of course, there are always plenty of
>> those who pick their taste in music on the same basis
>> that they pick their taste in clothing - they are
>> mindless sheep who are trying ape their peers who are,
>> in turn, mindless sheep trying to ape everyone else.
>>
>>
> Poor kids used to make music with their family and at church.  They 
> developed a sense of taste and an "ear for a tune".  Kids like that turned 
> into the great jazz, blues and rock musicians.  Elvis was pretty poor. 
> Black folks in the South were at a disadvantage in every way imaginable, 
> but look at what music they created in spite of the prejudice and 
> racism!!!  Now days, the kids play video games, especially the poor ones.
>
> There are at least two groups of people:  people who follow and people who 
> don't.  In other words, there will be people that buy what everyone else 
> buys (for many reasons).  Then there are people like me, contrarians , 
> that wouldn't do what anyone else did (even if the Holy Trinity made the 
> record, and it was the best record in the history of the cosmos, I 
> wouldn't buy it if everyone else thought it was good).  I've grown out of 
> that, and it's just as stupid as being a follower.
>>>  The selection at Target, Wal-Mart, and the like, remind me of that
>>> little rack of cassette tapes they have at every mega truck stop. "Tammy 
>>> Wynette and "old possum face's" greatest duets" and the complete
>>> works of ZZ Top.
>>>
>>
>>
>> There actually are people out there whose tastes and
>> approach to life never advances beyond that of "If
>> Wal-mart don't got it, you don't need it."
>>
>> Don't get me wrong - I love Wal-mart when it comes to
>> buying things such as basic groceries and garden
>> hoses. I was about to say that cheap mass market stuff
>> has its place but not in the world of music.  But then
>> I forgot - I LOVE the wonderful "dime store" dance
>> band music sold in the day's Wal-mart equivelents back
>> in the late 1920s and early 1930s. So there is nothing
>> inherently bad about mass market tastes, per se.  It
>> all comes back to the pop culture.  Taste and style
>> went out the window after World War II and fell into
>> the sewer in the 1960s and has yet to dry off, let
>> alone recover.
>>
> I worked at Wal-Mart while going to school.  I hate Wal-Mart.  Die, 
> Wal-Mart, DIE!  For every good thing you can say about Wal-Mart, I can 
> find something bad.
>>> So where is the store in Ft Worth?  I go there to
>>> buy surplus/used/military/aviation tubes and parts for
>>> radio and hi-fi restorations.
>>>
>>
>>
>> It is on University directly across from the TCU
>> campus.  I THINK it is called "Record Town" - but I
>> may be mistaken.  Regardless, you cannot miss it as it
>> has a big 1950s vintage sign showing a record with an
>> RCA Victor label.
>>
> Oh yes.  I've been there.  But it's not even a shadow of Collectors.   A 
> pale imitation of a ghost of a shadow.   But they do try, and effort 
> counts for something.  They really can't stock much in a store that small. 
> I still find decent things at Half-Priced books on occasion, but find the 
> best stuff at estate sales.
>
> If you are a 78 buyer, have you bought from Jim in Austin?
>
> Phillip
>
> 

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