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Re: Martha Yee's comments on LIS education (fwd)

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Mary Woodley <[log in to unmask]>

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Discussion List for issues related to cataloging & metadata education & training <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:44:49 -0700

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Nathan and et al.,

There are a number of metadata workshops that are sponsored by the 
Library of Congress and co-developed with ALCTS. More information can be 
found at:

About Cataloging for the 21st Century (Cat21)

http://www.loc.gov/catworkshop/cat21/aboutcat21.html


Mary Woodley

Rinne, Nathan (ESC) wrote:

>Danielle,
>
>Thanks so much for the response. 
>
>You said:  "It's not so great to say people who don't do it your way
>don't appreciate what you do.  I can appreciate MARC at the same time
>that I appreciate ONIX; since I work with and teach workshops on
>"metadata"." (end) 
>
>I'd be interested in those metadata workshops!  If you're ever up in
>Minnesota... 
>
>Danielle, I understand you to be talking about metadata standards here
>(programming structures and fields), something I know varies
>widely(though cross-walks make much possible) - please know, I am not so
>much talking about MARC structure as I am talking about key AACR2 ideas
>- i.e., the importance of maintaining vocabulary control (or
>"consistency" if you prefer).  I do not see how it cannot be imperative
>for libraries who want to cooperate with one another to do this if they
>want to be effective - as well as being able to function well on the
>ground in their particular circumstances.  Therefore, library
>investments must be targeted at traditional cataloging, to this extent
>at least, in order for the profession to survive.  I do not think MARC
>has to be the standard, nor even AACR2 - but there must be some level of
>fundamental agreement - as I think my message made clear.    
>
>I want libraries to be able to cooperate more widely and maintain the
>valuable - and necessary function - of authority control.  
>
>Both "bigger pictures" are needed, I think.    
>
>When you talk about metadata, I know that in large part means retrieving
>things at increasingly "granular levels" - all well and good.  However,
>if you have not read this article by Thomas Mann already, I urge you to
>do so:  http://tinyurl.com/yw3yar  Here, he talks about a different kind
>of retrieval here - "scope level" - the kind it takes effective,
>agreed-upon, authority control to be able to do.  
>  
>"both of which have the *promise* to permit collaborative authority
>work, albeit in very different ways." (note my emphasis)
>
>Danielle, I am following the Open Lib project as well - could you expand
>on just how this potential collaborative authority work might take
>place?  
>  
>Regards, 
>Nathan Rinne
>Media Cataloging Technician
>ISD 279 - Educational Service Center (ESC) 
>11200 93rd Ave. North
>Maple Grove, MN. 55369
>Work phone: 763-391-7183
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Discussion List for issues related to cataloging & metadata
>education & training [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Danielle
>Plumer
>Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:54 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Martha Yee's comments on LIS education (fwd)
>
>Nathan,
>
>I guess I just don't think that there is one right way or even one best
>way for every person in every context. It's great that you love what you
>do, and it's great to share that work with others. It's not so great to
>say people who don't do it your way don't appreciate what you do. I can
>appreciate MARC at the same time that I appreciate ONIX; since I work
>with and teach workshops on "metadata," I in fact need to be able to use
>a variety of metadata standards and schemes and see how they relate to
>each other. I think that that ability to see the bigger picture is a
>fundamental part of cataloging education.
>
>As far as "making all our authority records web-pages (URIs), or
>something like that," I'm following a number of projects including the
>Open Library project from the Internet Archive
>(http://demo.openlibrary.org/) and the Encoded Archival Context project
>(see http://www.iath.virginia.edu/eac/, which is a bit out-of-date),
>both of which have the promise to permit collaborative authority work,
>albeit in very different ways. 
>
>Danielle Cunniff Plumer, Coordinator
>Texas Heritage Digitization Initiative
>Texas State Library and Archives Commission
>512.463.5852 (phone) / 512.936.2306 (fax)
>[log in to unmask]
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Discussion List for issues related to cataloging & metadata
>education & training [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Rinne, Nathan
>(ESC)
>Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:32 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Martha Yee's comments on LIS education (fwd)
>
>
>Danielle said:
>
>"I think we all agree that we need more investments in cataloging and
>metadata creation, not fewer, although those investments *will not and
>cannot be targeted at traditional cataloging, the way we've 'always'
>done it.* Yee and others would be much better equipped to argue against
>outsourcing and eliminating cataloging practices if they recognized that
>essential truth... I'm a medievalist by training..." (end)
>
>Danielle, I think the way we've done it in the past 100 years is in
>several ways the best way (not in all, to be sure), albeit the tradition
>is not long as you say.  I just posted the following on AUTOCAT: 
>  
>

-- 
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Mary S. Woodley, Ph.D.
Collection Development Coordinator
California State University, Northridge
Northridge CA 91330-8328
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voice (818) 677-2261 fax: (818) 677-4928
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