At 16:59 +0200 2007-08-04, Håvard Hjulstad wrote:
>The ballot on "Blissymbols" is ongoing.
When was it issued, and when does it end?
> One of the questions on the ballot is:
> ___ I am in favour of the indigenous
>name "<a symbol like a reversed Z>".
An odd question. How can one be "in favour of"
the name. Does this mean "in favour of the
>Peter Constable commented:
>That’s not a name but a description of a name.
ASCII does not have symbol like a reversed Z in it.
>I assume we normally record the indigenous name
>in the indigenous script or in a Latin
>transliteration or transcription. AFAIK, we have
>never provided a *description* of the former.
Bliss can't be transliterated as it has no
inherent sound. The <symbol like a reversed Z> is
read "Blissymbols" in English.
>Perhaps in this particular case, no system of
>transliteration has ever been defined and might
>even be unfeasible, in which case the indigenous
>script might be the only option. I’d like some
>discussion on these points on the JAC list, with
>Michael Everson participating.
No, you can't transliterate as the langguage has
no phonetic content. It is used by non-speaking
people. It is the exception that proves the rule:
it is truly ideographic.
>I assume reaching consensus regarding indigenous
>name is not a prerequisite to coding the
>language and publishing the coding.
If necessary a graphic image could be provided.
Or perhaps there is a similar Unicode character
that could be shown.
>It is an interesting case, of course. I assume
>that there is no actual transcription of the
>Blissymbols. Are the Blissymbols encoded in
>Unicode? (I didn't find them.) So we probably
>don't have any other way of including the
>"indigenous name" than drawing or describing the
Bliss is not yet encoded. A preliminary proposal
can be found at
>On the other hand: The actual encoding of the
>item does not depend on a solution to the
>indigenous name. We can discuss how to handle
>this issue independently of the finalization of
>the current ballot.
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com