Right, it was the live one from 1941 on Victrola. And those Victrola issues
sound fabulous. In the mid 70s, I managed to get most of them as brand new
(mono) pressings, from after the "oil shortage". Funny thing though..they're
all mastered a bit off speed! I've had to slow them down 1% or more. I didn't
have a later pressing on VICS 1316, which was electronic stereo, but which
sounded just fine in mono.
Don Tait wrote:
> David -- I hope your message is forwarded with this.
> The 1949 Rhine Journey: I don't believe it did appear on Victrola, but
> since I haven't checked I can't be sure. The 1941 Victor 78s were never
> transferred until the Toscanini CD edition around 1991. Then there's the live Rhine
> Journey from 1941 -- the one of part of the Prologue with Traubel and Melchior,
> yes (or did you mean another)? And then.... AT did this selection a lot, as he
> did with Wagner in general.
> Many Victrola Toscanini releases had excellent sound, better than a number
> of the Red Seal predecessors and in some cases better than the big CD set. All
> one had to do toward the end of the Victrola series was search around for
> mono copies rather than the ghastly electronic stereo counterparts. That took a
> bit of work.
> Total agreement about the inferior sound in LM-6020. But I'll never forget
> how thrilled, overwhelmed I was to own that set as a boy around 1957. A
> different issue, of course!
> By the way, the late John Wilson had a Toscanini website with a
> discography. It doesn't seem that he listed 78 and LP numbers, but I could be wrong about
> that. The web address is
> It has much interesting information.
> Don Tait
> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
> By the way, the Victrolas I have DON'T include Siegfried's Rhine
> Journey. Did that appear on Victrola? (Not the 1941 live version, I have
> David Lennick wrote:
>> I just went to the shelf and pulled the three Toscanini Wagner
>> compilations on Victrola reissues (70s) and those dates are the same.
>> Hadn't thought to look there previously. by the way, the sound on LM
>> 6020 is atrocious..too much compression or something, overcutting to
>> squeeze 29 minutes onto each side resulting in distortion on loud
>> passages (and these are mint pressings, with various styli tried).
>> Very tedious listening.
>> Jim Long wrote:
>>> The booklet that came with my Toscanini Collection CD set (RCA Victor
>>> Gold Seal 09026-60250-2, booklet copyright 1992) says, though of
>>> course I don't know how accurate the information is:
>>> TRISTAN UND ISOLDE: PRELUDE and LIEBESTOD: January 7, 1952, Carnegie
>>> Hall, 18:32.
>>> DIE GOTTERDAMMERUNG: PROLOGUE; SIEGFRIED'S RHINE JOURNEY: December
>>> 22, 1949, Carnegie Hall, 11:00, what is titled "Dawn & Siegfried's
>>> Rhine Journey." Thus the preceding is something of a guess for me
>>> (not a Wagner naming expert). But the only other close title is the
>>> same, recorded in 1941. LM-6020 being one of RCA Victor's 1950's
>>> "hi-fi" releases, I doubt that a 1941 recording would have been used.
>>> DIE GOTTERDAMMERUNG, ACT III: SIEGFRIED'S FUNERAL MUSIC: January 3,
>>> 1952, Carnegie Hall, 13:20, as "Siegfried's Death & Funeral Music."
>>> A similar situation to the one above.
>>> DIE MEISTERSINGER: ACT I, PRELUDE: March 11, 1946, Carnegie Hall,
>>> 8:57. I guess this wouldn't be tape. No other alternative to choose
>>> DIE MEISTERSINGER: ACT III, PRELUDE: November 26, 1951, Carnegie
>>> Hall, 7:01.
>>> SIEGFRIED IDYLL: July 29, 1952, Carnegie Hall, 17:37. Other choices
>>> are far earlier.
>>> LOHENGRIN: ACT I, PRELUDE: October 22, 1951, Carnegie Hall, 8:41.
>>> Other choices far earlier.
>>> LOHENGRIN: ACT III, PRELUDE: October 22, 1951, Carnegie Hall, 3:05.
>>> Other choice far earlier.
>>> PARSIFAL: PRELUDE and GOOD FRIDAY SPELL: December 22, 1949, Carnegie
>>> Hall, 15:24 and 10:38, respectively.
>>> In a message dated 1/19/2008 12:03:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>>> Anyone have a Toscanini discography handy? Specifically, I'd like
>>>> the dates for the contents of the TOSCANINI PLAYS WAGNER album (RCA
>>>> LM 6020).
>>>> TRISTAN UND ISOLDE: PRELUDE and LIEBESTOD....PRELUDE
>>>> PARSIFAL: PRELUDE and GOOD FRIDAY SPELL
>>> Jim Long
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