Don't know. Didn't say it improved a CD. Just said it changed the
sound. Try it yourself if you have an old tape degausser. If you hear a
change you like, why not do it? If you don't hear a change, or think it
sounds worse, you probably wouldn't make a habit of it.
For that matter, they have gizmos that are designed to de-gauss LPs,
but I haven't heard that demonstrated.
I once had a discussion about audio tweaks with a real skeptic. If was
15 minutes before I thought to ask him if the copper bracelet on his
wrist really helped his arthritis. He assured me it did. My wife is a
physician, and she disagrees. But of course, she doesn't have
On Jan 22, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Scott Phillips wrote:
> WHAT on earth could degaussing have to do with improving a CD..?
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> Well, I split my college years between physics and psychology, so I may
> be more open to the oddities of audio than many. It is often easier to
> deny a phenomena than to explain it. Hell, we have presidential
> candidates running on that very platform.
> De-gaussing involves a strong magnetic field, cleaning/polishing
> production residue and optimizes the optical interface, precise
> at an angle insures centering and minimizes internal reflections, which
> may reduce error correction. Physics, optics, mechanics haven't been
> hokum for a while.
> If person A can hear effects person B can't, it's hardly something to
> get one's knickers in a twist over. My dog hears things I can't. Fair
> enough, that's why we let her ancestors into the cave. Actually, so can
> my wife. Part of our courtship involved demonstrating that a good
> allowed her to hear the differences between analog and digital, between
> wires, components, speaker positions, etc. Once she decided I was a
> discriminating guy and not a lunatic after all, it became much easier
> justify the occasional upgrade.
> It is true that virtually all magazines exist to sell advertising. And
> like the man said 97% of just about everything is junk. Some people
> would rather read Wine magazines than imbibe based on price and the
> picture on the label.
> On Jan 22, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Tom Fine wrote:
>> More importantly, Bruce, I don't want to throw a big bucket of facts
>> on the audiophillic fire here, but "de-gaussing, polishing, trimming,
>> etc" is HOOEY, JUNK "SCIENCE", P. T. BARNUMESQUE HOKUM!!! This is why
>> I can't take those "high end audio" magazines seriously -- they will
>> sell advertising and write articles about this junk!
>> -- Tom Fine
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>>> On 1/22/08 1:42 PM, "Bruce Kinch" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> One problem with the "bits iz bits" argument is that all sorts of
>>>> tweaks (not just better players/DACS) change (often subjectively
>>>> improving) the sound of CDs - de-gaussing, polishing, trimming, etc.
>>>> One of the nice things a good DAC can do is demonstrate how a
>>>> "bit-perfect" CD-R copy can sound better than the original CD, and
>>>> that is truly weird.
>>> This is truly weird. I thought that Dr. Dunn's/Prism Sound AES paper
>>> on bit-identical CDs sounding different stated that the differences
>>> all disappeared when using an external DAC. It's the internal (to
>>> the CD
>>> player) DAC which he surmised gets its quartz timing futz'd by the
>>> servo arm's tracking fluctuations caused by a hard-to-read (less
>>> reflective) disc.
>>> So a slow burn on compatible media might make a better reference disc
>>> than a fast burn on compatible media (which might make for fewer
>>> errors but sound worse (on a CD player that is using its built-in
>>> DACs) and is, ironically, the better master disc!).