Perhaps the items with "+" for other changes should be balloted
separately with an indication of the nature of the additional changes.

Milicent Wewerka, Library of Congress


>>> Håvard Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]> 01/09/08 5:34 AM >>>
 
I agree with Peter's general statement below (and would have expressed
that if I had a vote ... :)

Formalities: Do we need a formal ballot? Do we need to split the ballot
somehow into individual items?

The following table, which is a combination of table A.1 and table 3
from FDIS 639-5 should include all items in question. Items from table
A.1 (in green, if the colour coding goes through the email distribution
list) should be identical with the current status of 639-2. Items from
table 3 of 639-5 (in red) would be the suggested form also for Part 2.
In the last column I have indicated the changes: "L" = change "(Other)"
to "languages" in English, and delete the word "autres" in French; "+" =
other changes in Part 2; "-" = no changes needed in Part 2.

Identifier English name French name Table Change
afa Afro-Asiatic (Other) afro-asiatiques, autres
langues A.1
afa Afro-Asiatic languages afro-asiatiques,
langues 3 L
alg Algonquian languages algonquines,
langues A.1
alg Algonquian languages algonquines,
langues 3 -
apa Apache languages apache A.1
apa Apache languages apache, langues 3 +
art Artificial (Other) artificielles, autres
langues A.1
art Artificial languages artificielles,
langues 3 L
ath Athapascan languages athapascanes,
langues A.1
ath Athapascan languages athapascanes,
langues 3 -
aus Australian languages australiennes,
langues A.1
aus Australian languages australiennes,
langues 3 -
bad Banda languages banda, langues A.1
bad Banda languages banda, langues 3 -
bai Bamileke languages bamilékés,
langues A.1
bai Bamileke languages bamiléké,
langues 3 -
bat Baltic (Other) baltiques, autres
langues A.1
bat Baltic languages baltiques,
langues 3 L
ber Berber (Other) berbères, autres
langues A.1
ber Berber languages berbères,
langues 3 L
bnt Bantu (Other) bantoues, autres
langues A.1
bnt Bantu languages bantoues, langues 3 L
btk Batak languages batak, langues A.1
btk Batak languages batak, langues 3 -
cai Central American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique centrale,
autres langues A.1
cai Central American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique
centrale, langues 3 L
car Carib caribe A.1
car Carib languages caribes, langues 3 +
cau Caucasian (Other) caucasiennes, autres
langues A.1
cau Caucasian languages caucasiennes,
langues 3 L
cel Celtic (Other) celtiques, autres
langues A.1
cel Celtic languages celtiques,
langues 3 L
cmc Chamic languages chames, langues A.1
cmc Chamic languages chames, langues 3 -
cpe Creoles and pidgins, English-based (Other) créoles et
pidgins anglais, autres A.1
cpe Creoles and pidgins, English-based créoles et pidgins
anglais 3 +
cpf Creoles and pidgins, French-based (Other) créoles et
pidgins français, autres A.1
cpf Creoles and pidgins, French-based créoles et pidgins
français 3 +
cpp Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based (Other) créoles et
pidgins portugais, autres A.1
cpp Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based créoles et pidgins
portugais 3 +
crp Creoles and pidgins (Other) créoles et pidgins
divers A.1
crp Creoles and pidgins créoles et
pidgins 3 +
cus Cushitic (Other) couchitiques, autres
langues A.1
cus Cushitic languages couchitiques,
langues 3 L
dra Dravidian (Other) dravidiennes, autres
langues A.1
dra Dravidian languages dravidiennes,
langues 3 L
fiu Finno-Ugrian (Other) finno-ougriennes, autres
langues A.1
fiu Finno-Ugrian languages finno-ougriennes,
langues 3 L
gem Germanic (Other) germaniques, autres
langues A.1
gem Germanic languages germaniques,
langues 3 L
ijo Ijo languages ijo, langues A.1
ijo Ijo languages ijo, langues 3 -
inc Indic (Other) indo-aryennes, autres
langues A.1
inc Indic languages indo-aryennes, langues 3 L
ine Indo-European (Other) indo-européennes, autres
langues A.1
ine Indo-European languages indo-européennes,
langues 3 L
ira Iranian (Other) iraniennes, autres
langues A.1
ira Iranian languages iraniennes,
langues 3 L
iro Iroquoian languages iroquoises, langues
(famille) A.1
iro Iroquoian languages iroquoises,
langues 3 +
kar Karen languages karen, langues A.1
kar Karen languages karen, langues 3 -
khi Khoisan (Other) khoisan, autres langues A.1
khi Khoisan languages khoïsan,
langues 3 L
kro Kru languages krou, langues A.1
kro Kru languages krou, langues 3 -
map Austronesian (Other) malayo-polynésiennes, autres
langues A.1
map Austronesian languages austronésiennes,
langues 3 L +
mkh Mon-Khmer (Other) môn-khmer, autres
langues A.1
mkh Mon-Khmer languages môn-khmer,
langues 3 L
mno Manobo languages manobo, langues A.1
mno Manobo languages manobo, langues 3 -
mun Munda languages mounda, langues A.1
mun Munda languages mounda, langues 3 -
myn Mayan languages maya, langues A.1
myn Mayan languages mayas, langues 3 +
nah Nahuatl languages nahuatl,
langues A.1
nah Nahuatl languages nahuatl,
langues 3 -
nai North American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique du Nord,
autres langues A.1
nai North American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique du Nord,
langues 3 +
nic Niger-Kordofanian (Other) nigéro-congolaises, autres
langues A.1
nic Niger-Kordofanian languages nigéro-kordofaniennes,
langues 3 L
nub Nubian languages nubiennes,
langues A.1
nub Nubian languages nubiennes,
langues 3 -
oto Otomian languages otomangue,
langues A.1
oto Otomian languages otomi, langues 3 +
paa Papuan (Other) papoues, autres langues A.1
paa Papuan languages papoues,
langues 3 L
phi Philippine (Other) philippines, autres
langues A.1
phi Philippine languages philippines,
langues 3 L
pra Prakrit languages prâkrit A.1
pra Prakrit languages prâkrits,
langues 3 +
roa Romance (Other) romanes, autres langues A.1
roa Romance languages romanes,
langues 3 L
sai South American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique du Sud,
autres langues A.1
sai South American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique du Sud,
langues 3 L
sal Salishan languages salish, langues A.1
sal Salishan languages salish, langues 3 -
sem Semitic (Other) sémitiques, autres
langues A.1
sem Semitic languages sémitiques,
langues 3 L
sgn sign languages langues des signes A.1
sgn sign languages langues des signes 3 -
sio Siouan languages sioux, langues A.1
sio Siouan languages sioux, langues 3 -
sit Sino-Tibetan (Other) sino-tibétaines, autres
langues A.1
sit Sino-Tibetan languages sino-tibétaines,
langues 3 L
sla Slavic (Other) slaves, autres langues A.1
sla Slavic languages slaves, langues 3 L
smi Sami languages (Other) sami, autres
langues A.1
smi Sami languages sames, langues 3 (L)
son Songhai languages songhai,
langues A.1
son Songhai languages songhai,
langues 3 -
ssa Nilo-Saharan (Other) nilo-sahariennes, autres
langues A.1
ssa Nilo-Saharan languages nilo-sahariennes,
langues 3 L
tai Tai (Other) thaïes, autres langues A.1
tai Tai languages tai, langues 3 L
tup Tupi languages tupi, langues A.1
tup Tupi languages tupi, langues 3 -
tut Altaic (Other) altaïques, autres
langues A.1
tut Altaic languages altaïques,
langues 3 L
wak Wakashan languages wakashennes,
langues A.1
wak Wakashan languages wakash, langues 3 +
wen Sorbian languages sorabes,
langues A.1
wen Sorbian languages sorabes,
langues 3 -
ypk Yupik languages yupik, langues A.1
ypk Yupik languages yupik, langues 3 -
znd Zande languages zandé, langues A.1
znd Zande languages zandé, langues 3 -

Best regards,
Håvard

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-----Original Message-----
From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Peter Constable
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:39 AM
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Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections

> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Rebecca S. Guenther


> So if we were to change the (Other) to Languages, would that help
with
> the IETF concerns?

Yes. The biggest IETF concerns have to do with stability of the
semantic/ID association. Making that change eliminates the inherent
instability.



Thanks very much.

Peter