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Subject:

Re: decision required: "other" collections

From:

Håvard Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:27:13 +0100

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text/plain (244 lines) , N060 Resolution of names - other languages.pdf (244 lines) , N060 Resolution of names - other languages.doc (244 lines)

 
Thank you, Peter. I have made the corrections in the table:
nai : L
Nic : L +
Smi : L +
Tai : L +

Going through the table once more I also found the following changes appropriate:
Bai : changed from - to +
Khi : changed from L to L +

The Creoles and pidgins are "actually" of the "L category", but I have marked them "L +" since we cannot insert the word "languages".

All "+ changes" are based on input from experts during the development of 639-5.

The new table is enclosed as document JAC N 60 (as Word and pdf files). It is also available on the ISO Livelink system (in the JAC folder under ISO/TC 37).

Best regards,
Håvard

--------------------
Håvard Hjulstad
  Standard Norge / Standards Norway
  [log in to unmask]
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-----Original Message-----
From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Constable
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:03 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections

I agree: vote on "+" items but not others.

A few comments on the table:

- nai is marked "+" but it seems like it should be "L"

- nic is marked "L" but it seems like it should be marked "+" or "L+"

- smi: the French name from table 3 is "sames, langues" rather than "sami, langues"; I assume that's intended? (It's marked "+" so would get reviewed in balloting, if we ballot "+" items.)

- tai is marked "L" but it seems like it should be marked "+" or "L+"


Peter

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Milicent K Wewerka
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:43 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections
>
> Perhaps the items with "+" for other changes should be balloted
> separately with an indication of the nature of the additional changes.
>
> Milicent Wewerka, Library of Congress
>
>
> >>> Håvard Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]> 01/09/08 5:34 AM >>>
>
> I agree with Peter's general statement below (and would have expressed
> that if I had a vote ... :)
>
> Formalities: Do we need a formal ballot? Do we need to split the
> ballot somehow into individual items?
>
> The following table, which is a combination of table A.1 and table 3
> from FDIS 639-5 should include all items in question. Items from table
> A.1 (in green, if the colour coding goes through the email
> distribution
> list) should be identical with the current status of 639-2. Items from
> table 3 of 639-5 (in red) would be the suggested form also for Part 2.
> In the last column I have indicated the changes: "L" = change "(Other)"
> to "languages" in English, and delete the word "autres" in French; "+"
> =
> other changes in Part 2; "-" = no changes needed in Part 2.
>
> Identifier English name French name Table Change
> afa Afro-Asiatic (Other) afro-asiatiques, autres langues A.1
> afa Afro-Asiatic languages afro-asiatiques, langues 3 L
> alg Algonquian languages algonquines, langues A.1
> alg Algonquian languages algonquines, langues 3 -
> apa Apache languages apache A.1
> apa Apache languages apache, langues 3 +
> art Artificial (Other) artificielles, autres langues A.1
> art Artificial languages artificielles, langues 3 L
> ath Athapascan languages athapascanes, langues A.1
> ath Athapascan languages athapascanes, langues 3 -
> aus Australian languages australiennes, langues A.1
> aus Australian languages australiennes, langues 3 -
> bad Banda languages banda, langues A.1
> bad Banda languages banda, langues 3 -
> bai Bamileke languages bamilékés, langues A.1
> bai Bamileke languages bamiléké, langues 3 -
> bat Baltic (Other) baltiques, autres langues A.1
> bat Baltic languages baltiques, langues 3 L
> ber Berber (Other) berbères, autres langues A.1
> ber Berber languages berbères, langues 3 L
> bnt Bantu (Other) bantoues, autres langues A.1
> bnt Bantu languages bantoues, langues 3 L
> btk Batak languages batak, langues A.1
> btk Batak languages batak, langues 3 -
> cai Central American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique centrale, autres langues A.1
> cai Central American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique centrale, langues 3 L
> car Carib caribe A.1
> car Carib languages caribes, langues 3 +
> cau Caucasian (Other) caucasiennes, autres langues A.1
> cau Caucasian languages caucasiennes, langues 3 L
> cel Celtic (Other) celtiques, autres langues A.1
> cel Celtic languages celtiques, langues 3 L
> cmc Chamic languages chames, langues A.1
> cmc Chamic languages chames, langues 3 -
> cpe Creoles and pidgins, English-based (Other) créoles et pidgins anglais, autres A.1
> cpe Creoles and pidgins, English-based créoles et pidgins anglais 3 +
> cpf Creoles and pidgins, French-based (Other) créoles et pidgins français, autres A.1
> cpf Creoles and pidgins, French-based créoles et pidgins français 3 +
> cpp Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based (Other) créoles et pidgins portugais, autres A.1
> cpp Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based créoles et pidgins portugais 3 +
> crp Creoles and pidgins (Other) créoles et pidgins divers A.1
> crp Creoles and pidgins créoles et pidgins 3 +
> cus Cushitic (Other) couchitiques, autres langues A.1
> cus Cushitic languages couchitiques, langues 3 L
> dra Dravidian (Other) dravidiennes, autres langues A.1
> dra Dravidian languages dravidiennes, langues 3 L
> fiu Finno-Ugrian (Other) finno-ougriennes, autres langues A.1
> fiu Finno-Ugrian languages finno-ougriennes, langues 3 L
> gem Germanic (Other) germaniques, autres langues A.1
> gem Germanic languages germaniques, langues 3 L
> ijo Ijo languages ijo, langues A.1
> ijo Ijo languages ijo, langues 3 -
> inc Indic (Other) indo-aryennes, autres langues A.1
> inc Indic languages indo-aryennes, langues 3 L
> ine Indo-European (Other) indo-européennes, autres langues A.1
> ine Indo-European languages indo-européennes, langues 3 L
> ira Iranian (Other) iraniennes, autres langues A.1
> ira Iranian languages iraniennes, langues 3 L
> iro Iroquoian languages iroquoises, langues (famille) A.1
> iro Iroquoian languages iroquoises, langues 3 +
> kar Karen languages karen, langues A.1
> kar Karen languages karen, langues 3 -
> khi Khoisan (Other) khoisan, autres langues A.1
> khi Khoisan languages khoïsan, langues 3 L
> kro Kru languages krou, langues A.1
> kro Kru languages krou, langues 3 -
> map Austronesian (Other) malayo-polynésiennes, autres langues A.1
> map Austronesian languages austronésiennes, langues 3 L +
> mkh Mon-Khmer (Other) môn-khmer, autres langues A.1
> mkh Mon-Khmer languages môn-khmer, langues 3 L
> mno Manobo languages manobo, langues A.1
> mno Manobo languages manobo, langues 3 -
> mun Munda languages mounda, langues A.1
> mun Munda languages mounda, langues 3 -
> myn Mayan languages maya, langues A.1
> myn Mayan languages mayas, langues 3 +
> nah Nahuatl languages nahuatl, langues A.1
> nah Nahuatl languages nahuatl, langues 3 -
> nai North American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique du Nord, autres langues A.1
> nai North American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique du Nord, langues 3 +
> nic Niger-Kordofanian (Other) nigéro-congolaises, autres langues A.1
> nic Niger-Kordofanian languages nigéro-kordofaniennes, langues 3 L
> nub Nubian languages nubiennes, langues A.1
> nub Nubian languages nubiennes, langues 3 -
> oto Otomian languages otomangue, langues A.1
> oto Otomian languages otomi, langues 3 +
> paa Papuan (Other) papoues, autres langues A.1
> paa Papuan languages papoues, langues 3 L
> phi Philippine (Other) philippines, autres langues A.1
> phi Philippine languages philippines, langues 3 L
> pra Prakrit languages prâkrit A.1
> pra Prakrit languages prâkrits, langues 3 +
> roa Romance (Other) romanes, autres langues A.1
> roa Romance languages romanes, langues 3 L
> sai South American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique du Sud, autres langues A.1
> sai South American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique du Sud, langues 3 L
> sal Salishan languages salish, langues A.1
> sal Salishan languages salish, langues 3 -
> sem Semitic (Other) sémitiques, autres langues A.1
> sem Semitic languages sémitiques, langues 3 L
> sgn sign languages langues des signes A.1
> sgn sign languages langues des signes 3 -
> sio Siouan languages sioux, langues A.1
> sio Siouan languages sioux, langues 3 -
> sit Sino-Tibetan (Other) sino-tibétaines, autres langues A.1
> sit Sino-Tibetan languages sino-tibétaines, langues 3 L
> sla Slavic (Other) slaves, autres langues A.1
> sla Slavic languages slaves, langues 3 L
> smi Sami languages (Other) sami, autres langues A.1
> smi Sami languages sames, langues 3 (L)
> son Songhai languages songhai, langues A.1
> son Songhai languages songhai, langues 3 -
> ssa Nilo-Saharan (Other) nilo-sahariennes, autres langues A.1
> ssa Nilo-Saharan languages nilo-sahariennes, langues 3 L
> tai Tai (Other) thaïes, autres langues A.1
> tai Tai languages tai, langues 3 L
> tup Tupi languages tupi, langues A.1
> tup Tupi languages tupi, langues 3 -
> tut Altaic (Other) altaïques, autres langues A.1
> tut Altaic languages altaïques, langues 3 L
> wak Wakashan languages wakashennes, langues A.1
> wak Wakashan languages wakash, langues 3 +
> wen Sorbian languages sorabes, langues A.1
> wen Sorbian languages sorabes, langues 3 -
> ypk Yupik languages yupik, langues A.1
> ypk Yupik languages yupik, langues 3 -
> znd Zande languages zandé, langues A.1
> znd Zande languages zandé, langues 3 -
>
> Best regards,
> Håvard
>
> --------------------
> Håvard Hjulstad
> Standard Norge / Standards Norway
> [log in to unmask]
> --------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Peter Constable
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:39 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections
>
> > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of Rebecca S. Guenther
>
>
> > So if we were to change the (Other) to Languages, would that help
> with
> > the IETF concerns?
>
> Yes. The biggest IETF concerns have to do with stability of the
> semantic/ID association. Making that change eliminates the inherent
> instability.
>
>
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Peter

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