Thanks, Havard. If I count right, there are 17 "+" items we'd be balloting, if we agreed on balloting all and only those items.
Peter
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Håvard Hjulstad
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:27 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections
>
>
> Thank you, Peter. I have made the corrections in the table:
> nai : L
> Nic : L +
> Smi : L +
> Tai : L +
>
> Going through the table once more I also found the following changes
> appropriate:
> Bai : changed from - to +
> Khi : changed from L to L +
>
> The Creoles and pidgins are "actually" of the "L category", but I have
> marked them "L +" since we cannot insert the word "languages".
>
> All "+ changes" are based on input from experts during the development
> of 639-5.
>
> The new table is enclosed as document JAC N 60 (as Word and pdf files).
> It is also available on the ISO Livelink system (in the JAC folder
> under ISO/TC 37).
>
> Best regards,
> Håvard
>
> --------------------
> Håvard Hjulstad
> Standard Norge / Standards Norway
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> --------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Peter Constable
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:03 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections
>
> I agree: vote on "+" items but not others.
>
> A few comments on the table:
>
> - nai is marked "+" but it seems like it should be "L"
>
> - nic is marked "L" but it seems like it should be marked "+" or "L+"
>
> - smi: the French name from table 3 is "sames, langues" rather than
> "sami, langues"; I assume that's intended? (It's marked "+" so would
> get reviewed in balloting, if we ballot "+" items.)
>
> - tai is marked "L" but it seems like it should be marked "+" or "L+"
>
>
> Peter
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of Milicent K Wewerka
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:43 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections
> >
> > Perhaps the items with "+" for other changes should be balloted
> > separately with an indication of the nature of the additional changes.
> >
> > Milicent Wewerka, Library of Congress
> >
> >
> > >>> Håvard Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]> 01/09/08 5:34 AM >>>
> >
> > I agree with Peter's general statement below (and would have
> expressed
> > that if I had a vote ... :)
> >
> > Formalities: Do we need a formal ballot? Do we need to split the
> > ballot somehow into individual items?
> >
> > The following table, which is a combination of table A.1 and table 3
> > from FDIS 639-5 should include all items in question. Items from
> table
> > A.1 (in green, if the colour coding goes through the email
> > distribution
> > list) should be identical with the current status of 639-2. Items
> from
> > table 3 of 639-5 (in red) would be the suggested form also for Part 2.
> > In the last column I have indicated the changes: "L" = change
> "(Other)"
> > to "languages" in English, and delete the word "autres" in French;
> "+"
> > =
> > other changes in Part 2; "-" = no changes needed in Part 2.
> >
> > Identifier English name French name Table Change
> > afa Afro-Asiatic (Other) afro-asiatiques, autres langues A.1
> > afa Afro-Asiatic languages afro-asiatiques, langues 3 L
> > alg Algonquian languages algonquines, langues A.1
> > alg Algonquian languages algonquines, langues 3 -
> > apa Apache languages apache A.1
> > apa Apache languages apache, langues 3 +
> > art Artificial (Other) artificielles, autres langues A.1
> > art Artificial languages artificielles, langues 3 L
> > ath Athapascan languages athapascanes, langues A.1
> > ath Athapascan languages athapascanes, langues 3 -
> > aus Australian languages australiennes, langues A.1
> > aus Australian languages australiennes, langues 3 -
> > bad Banda languages banda, langues A.1
> > bad Banda languages banda, langues 3 -
> > bai Bamileke languages bamilékés, langues A.1
> > bai Bamileke languages bamiléké, langues 3 -
> > bat Baltic (Other) baltiques, autres langues A.1
> > bat Baltic languages baltiques, langues 3 L
> > ber Berber (Other) berbères, autres langues A.1
> > ber Berber languages berbères, langues 3 L
> > bnt Bantu (Other) bantoues, autres langues A.1
> > bnt Bantu languages bantoues, langues 3 L
> > btk Batak languages batak, langues A.1
> > btk Batak languages batak, langues 3 -
> > cai Central American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique centrale,
> autres langues A.1
> > cai Central American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique
> centrale, langues 3 L
> > car Carib caribe A.1
> > car Carib languages caribes, langues 3 +
> > cau Caucasian (Other) caucasiennes, autres langues A.1
> > cau Caucasian languages caucasiennes, langues 3 L
> > cel Celtic (Other) celtiques, autres langues A.1
> > cel Celtic languages celtiques, langues 3 L
> > cmc Chamic languages chames, langues A.1
> > cmc Chamic languages chames, langues 3 -
> > cpe Creoles and pidgins, English-based (Other) créoles et
> pidgins anglais, autres A.1
> > cpe Creoles and pidgins, English-based créoles et pidgins
> anglais 3 +
> > cpf Creoles and pidgins, French-based (Other) créoles et
> pidgins français, autres A.1
> > cpf Creoles and pidgins, French-based créoles et pidgins
> français 3 +
> > cpp Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based (Other) créoles et
> pidgins portugais, autres A.1
> > cpp Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based créoles et pidgins
> portugais 3 +
> > crp Creoles and pidgins (Other) créoles et pidgins divers
> A.1
> > crp Creoles and pidgins créoles et pidgins 3 +
> > cus Cushitic (Other) couchitiques, autres langues A.1
> > cus Cushitic languages couchitiques, langues 3 L
> > dra Dravidian (Other) dravidiennes, autres langues A.1
> > dra Dravidian languages dravidiennes, langues 3 L
> > fiu Finno-Ugrian (Other) finno-ougriennes, autres langues A.1
> > fiu Finno-Ugrian languages finno-ougriennes, langues 3 L
> > gem Germanic (Other) germaniques, autres langues A.1
> > gem Germanic languages germaniques, langues 3 L
> > ijo Ijo languages ijo, langues A.1
> > ijo Ijo languages ijo, langues 3 -
> > inc Indic (Other) indo-aryennes, autres langues A.1
> > inc Indic languages indo-aryennes, langues 3 L
> > ine Indo-European (Other) indo-européennes, autres langues A.1
> > ine Indo-European languages indo-européennes, langues 3 L
> > ira Iranian (Other) iraniennes, autres langues A.1
> > ira Iranian languages iraniennes, langues 3 L
> > iro Iroquoian languages iroquoises, langues (famille)
> A.1
> > iro Iroquoian languages iroquoises, langues 3 +
> > kar Karen languages karen, langues A.1
> > kar Karen languages karen, langues 3 -
> > khi Khoisan (Other) khoisan, autres langues A.1
> > khi Khoisan languages khoïsan, langues 3 L
> > kro Kru languages krou, langues A.1
> > kro Kru languages krou, langues 3 -
> > map Austronesian (Other) malayo-polynésiennes, autres langues
> A.1
> > map Austronesian languages austronésiennes, langues 3 L +
> > mkh Mon-Khmer (Other) môn-khmer, autres langues A.1
> > mkh Mon-Khmer languages môn-khmer, langues 3 L
> > mno Manobo languages manobo, langues A.1
> > mno Manobo languages manobo, langues 3 -
> > mun Munda languages mounda, langues A.1
> > mun Munda languages mounda, langues 3 -
> > myn Mayan languages maya, langues A.1
> > myn Mayan languages mayas, langues 3 +
> > nah Nahuatl languages nahuatl, langues A.1
> > nah Nahuatl languages nahuatl, langues 3 -
> > nai North American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique du Nord,
> autres langues A.1
> > nai North American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique du Nord,
> langues 3 +
> > nic Niger-Kordofanian (Other) nigéro-congolaises, autres
> langues A.1
> > nic Niger-Kordofanian languages nigéro-kordofaniennes,
> langues 3 L
> > nub Nubian languages nubiennes, langues A.1
> > nub Nubian languages nubiennes, langues 3 -
> > oto Otomian languages otomangue, langues A.1
> > oto Otomian languages otomi, langues 3 +
> > paa Papuan (Other) papoues, autres langues A.1
> > paa Papuan languages papoues, langues 3 L
> > phi Philippine (Other) philippines, autres langues A.1
> > phi Philippine languages philippines, langues 3 L
> > pra Prakrit languages prâkrit A.1
> > pra Prakrit languages prâkrits, langues 3 +
> > roa Romance (Other) romanes, autres langues A.1
> > roa Romance languages romanes, langues 3 L
> > sai South American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique du Sud,
> autres langues A.1
> > sai South American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique du Sud,
> langues 3 L
> > sal Salishan languages salish, langues A.1
> > sal Salishan languages salish, langues 3 -
> > sem Semitic (Other) sémitiques, autres langues A.1
> > sem Semitic languages sémitiques, langues 3 L
> > sgn sign languages langues des signes A.1
> > sgn sign languages langues des signes 3 -
> > sio Siouan languages sioux, langues A.1
> > sio Siouan languages sioux, langues 3 -
> > sit Sino-Tibetan (Other) sino-tibétaines, autres langues A.1
> > sit Sino-Tibetan languages sino-tibétaines, langues 3 L
> > sla Slavic (Other) slaves, autres langues A.1
> > sla Slavic languages slaves, langues 3 L
> > smi Sami languages (Other) sami, autres langues A.1
> > smi Sami languages sames, langues 3 (L)
> > son Songhai languages songhai, langues A.1
> > son Songhai languages songhai, langues 3 -
> > ssa Nilo-Saharan (Other) nilo-sahariennes, autres langues A.1
> > ssa Nilo-Saharan languages nilo-sahariennes, langues 3 L
> > tai Tai (Other) thaïes, autres langues A.1
> > tai Tai languages tai, langues 3 L
> > tup Tupi languages tupi, langues A.1
> > tup Tupi languages tupi, langues 3 -
> > tut Altaic (Other) altaïques, autres langues A.1
> > tut Altaic languages altaïques, langues 3 L
> > wak Wakashan languages wakashennes, langues A.1
> > wak Wakashan languages wakash, langues 3 +
> > wen Sorbian languages sorabes, langues A.1
> > wen Sorbian languages sorabes, langues 3 -
> > ypk Yupik languages yupik, langues A.1
> > ypk Yupik languages yupik, langues 3 -
> > znd Zande languages zandé, langues A.1
> > znd Zande languages zandé, langues 3 -
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Håvard
> >
> > --------------------
> > Håvard Hjulstad
> > Standard Norge / Standards Norway
> > [log in to unmask]
> > --------------------
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of Peter Constable
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:39 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections
> >
> > > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > > Behalf Of Rebecca S. Guenther
> >
> >
> > > So if we were to change the (Other) to Languages, would that help
> > with
> > > the IETF concerns?
> >
> > Yes. The biggest IETF concerns have to do with stability of the
> > semantic/ID association. Making that change eliminates the inherent
> > instability.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks very much.
> >
> > Peter
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