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Re: decision required: "other" collections

From:

Håvard Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:27:13 +0100

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text/plain (244 lines) , N060 Resolution of names - other languages.pdf (244 lines) , N060 Resolution of names - other languages.doc (244 lines)

 
Thank you, Peter. I have made the corrections in the table:
nai : L
Nic : L +
Smi : L +
Tai : L +

Going through the table once more I also found the following changes appropriate:
Bai : changed from - to +
Khi : changed from L to L +

The Creoles and pidgins are "actually" of the "L category", but I have marked them "L +" since we cannot insert the word "languages".

All "+ changes" are based on input from experts during the development of 639-5.

The new table is enclosed as document JAC N 60 (as Word and pdf files). It is also available on the ISO Livelink system (in the JAC folder under ISO/TC 37).

Best regards,
Håvard

--------------------
Håvard Hjulstad
  Standard Norge / Standards Norway
  [log in to unmask]
--------------------

-----Original Message-----
From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Constable
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:03 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections

I agree: vote on "+" items but not others.

A few comments on the table:

- nai is marked "+" but it seems like it should be "L"

- nic is marked "L" but it seems like it should be marked "+" or "L+"

- smi: the French name from table 3 is "sames, langues" rather than "sami, langues"; I assume that's intended? (It's marked "+" so would get reviewed in balloting, if we ballot "+" items.)

- tai is marked "L" but it seems like it should be marked "+" or "L+"


Peter

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On 
> Behalf Of Milicent K Wewerka
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 4:43 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections
>
> Perhaps the items with "+" for other changes should be balloted 
> separately with an indication of the nature of the additional changes.
>
> Milicent Wewerka, Library of Congress
>
>
> >>> Håvard  Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]> 01/09/08 5:34 AM >>>
>
> I agree with Peter's general statement below (and would have expressed 
> that if I had a vote ...  :)
>
> Formalities: Do we need a formal ballot? Do we need to split the 
> ballot somehow into individual items?
>
> The following table, which is a combination of table A.1 and table 3 
> from FDIS 639-5 should include all items in question. Items from table
> A.1 (in green, if the colour coding goes through the email 
> distribution
> list) should be identical with the current status of 639-2. Items from 
> table 3 of 639-5 (in red) would be the suggested form also for Part 2.
> In the last column I have indicated the changes: "L" = change "(Other)"
> to "languages" in English, and delete the word "autres" in French; "+"
> =
> other changes in Part 2; "-" = no changes needed in Part 2.
>
> Identifier      English name    French name     Table   Change
> afa     Afro-Asiatic (Other)    afro-asiatiques, autres langues A.1
> afa     Afro-Asiatic languages  afro-asiatiques, langues 3       L
> alg     Algonquian languages    algonquines, langues A.1
> alg     Algonquian languages    algonquines, langues 3       -
> apa     Apache languages        apache  A.1
> apa     Apache languages        apache, langues 3       +
> art     Artificial (Other)      artificielles, autres langues A.1
> art     Artificial languages    artificielles, langues 3       L
> ath     Athapascan languages    athapascanes, langues A.1
> ath     Athapascan languages    athapascanes, langues 3       -
> aus     Australian languages    australiennes, langues A.1
> aus     Australian languages    australiennes, langues 3       -
> bad     Banda languages         banda, langues  A.1
> bad     Banda languages         banda, langues  3       -
> bai     Bamileke languages      bamilékés, langues A.1
> bai     Bamileke languages      bamiléké, langues 3       -
> bat     Baltic (Other)          baltiques, autres langues A.1
> bat     Baltic languages        baltiques, langues 3       L
> ber     Berber (Other)          berbères, autres langues A.1
> ber     Berber languages        berbères, langues 3       L
> bnt     Bantu (Other)           bantoues, autres langues A.1
> bnt     Bantu languages         bantoues, langues       3       L
> btk     Batak languages         batak, langues  A.1
> btk     Batak languages         batak, langues  3       -
> cai     Central American Indian (Other) indiennes d'Amérique centrale, autres langues  A.1
> cai     Central American Indian languages       indiennes d'Amérique centrale, langues       3       L
> car     Carib                   caribe  A.1
> car     Carib languages         caribes, langues        3       +
> cau     Caucasian (Other)       caucasiennes, autres langues A.1
> cau     Caucasian languages     caucasiennes, langues 3       L
> cel     Celtic (Other)          celtiques, autres langues A.1
> cel     Celtic languages        celtiques, langues 3       L
> cmc     Chamic languages        chames, langues A.1
> cmc     Chamic languages        chames, langues 3       -
> cpe     Creoles and pidgins, English-based (Other)      créoles et pidgins anglais, autres A.1
> cpe     Creoles and pidgins, English-based      créoles et pidgins anglais 3       +
> cpf     Creoles and pidgins, French-based (Other)       créoles et pidgins français, autres        A.1
> cpf     Creoles and pidgins, French-based       créoles et pidgins français        3       +
> cpp     Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based (Other)   créoles et pidgins portugais, autres       A.1
> cpp     Creoles and pidgins, Portuguese-based   créoles et pidgins portugais       3       +
> crp     Creoles and pidgins (Other)     créoles et pidgins divers  A.1
> crp     Creoles and pidgins     créoles et pidgins 3       +
> cus     Cushitic (Other)        couchitiques, autres langues A.1
> cus     Cushitic languages      couchitiques, langues 3       L
> dra     Dravidian (Other)       dravidiennes, autres langues A.1
> dra     Dravidian languages     dravidiennes, langues 3       L
> fiu     Finno-Ugrian (Other)    finno-ougriennes, autres langues A.1
> fiu     Finno-Ugrian languages  finno-ougriennes, langues 3       L
> gem     Germanic (Other)        germaniques, autres langues A.1
> gem     Germanic languages      germaniques, langues 3       L
> ijo     Ijo languages           ijo, langues    A.1
> ijo     Ijo languages           ijo, langues    3       -
> inc     Indic (Other)           indo-aryennes, autres langues A.1
> inc     Indic languages         indo-aryennes, langues  3       L
> ine     Indo-European (Other)   indo-européennes, autres langues A.1
> ine     Indo-European languages indo-européennes, langues 3       L
> ira     Iranian (Other)         iraniennes, autres langues A.1
> ira     Iranian languages       iraniennes, langues 3       L
> iro     Iroquoian languages     iroquoises, langues (famille)       A.1
> iro     Iroquoian languages     iroquoises, langues 3       +
> kar     Karen languages         karen, langues  A.1
> kar     Karen languages         karen, langues  3       -
> khi     Khoisan (Other)         khoisan, autres langues A.1
> khi     Khoisan languages       khoïsan, langues 3       L
> kro     Kru languages           krou, langues   A.1
> kro     Kru languages           krou, langues   3       -
> map     Austronesian (Other)    malayo-polynésiennes, autres langues A.1
> map     Austronesian languages  austronésiennes, langues 3       L +
> mkh     Mon-Khmer (Other)       môn-khmer, autres langues A.1
> mkh     Mon-Khmer languages     môn-khmer, langues 3       L
> mno     Manobo languages        manobo, langues A.1
> mno     Manobo languages        manobo, langues 3       -
> mun     Munda languages         mounda, langues A.1
> mun     Munda languages         mounda, langues 3       -
> myn     Mayan languages         maya, langues   A.1
> myn     Mayan languages         mayas, langues  3       +
> nah     Nahuatl languages       nahuatl, langues A.1
> nah     Nahuatl languages       nahuatl, langues 3       -
> nai     North American Indian (Other)   indiennes d'Amérique du Nord, autres langues  A.1
> nai     North American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique du Nord, langues 3       +
> nic     Niger-Kordofanian (Other)       nigéro-congolaises, autres langues A.1
> nic     Niger-Kordofanian languages     nigéro-kordofaniennes, langues 3       L
> nub     Nubian languages        nubiennes, langues A.1
> nub     Nubian languages        nubiennes, langues 3       -
> oto     Otomian languages       otomangue, langues A.1
> oto     Otomian languages       otomi, langues  3       +
> paa     Papuan (Other)          papoues, autres langues A.1
> paa     Papuan languages        papoues, langues 3       L
> phi     Philippine (Other)      philippines, autres langues A.1
> phi     Philippine languages    philippines, langues 3       L
> pra     Prakrit languages       prâkrit A.1
> pra     Prakrit languages       prâkrits, langues 3       +
> roa     Romance (Other)         romanes, autres langues A.1
> roa     Romance languages       romanes, langues 3       L
> sai     South American Indian (Other)   indiennes d'Amérique du Sud, autres langues  A.1
> sai     South American Indian languages indiennes d'Amérique du Sud, langues 3       L
> sal     Salishan languages      salish, langues A.1
> sal     Salishan languages      salish, langues 3       -
> sem     Semitic (Other)         sémitiques, autres langues A.1
> sem     Semitic languages       sémitiques, langues 3       L
> sgn     sign languages          langues des signes      A.1
> sgn     sign languages          langues des signes      3       -
> sio     Siouan languages        sioux, langues  A.1
> sio     Siouan languages        sioux, langues  3       -
> sit     Sino-Tibetan (Other)    sino-tibétaines, autres langues A.1
> sit     Sino-Tibetan languages  sino-tibétaines, langues 3       L
> sla     Slavic (Other)  slaves, autres langues  A.1
> sla     Slavic languages        slaves, langues 3       L
> smi     Sami languages (Other)  sami, autres langues A.1
> smi     Sami languages          sames, langues  3       (L)
> son     Songhai languages       songhai, langues A.1
> son     Songhai languages       songhai, langues 3       -
> ssa     Nilo-Saharan (Other)    nilo-sahariennes, autres langues A.1
> ssa     Nilo-Saharan languages  nilo-sahariennes, langues 3       L
> tai     Tai (Other)             thaïes, autres langues  A.1
> tai     Tai languages           tai, langues    3       L
> tup     Tupi languages          tupi, langues   A.1
> tup     Tupi languages          tupi, langues   3       -
> tut     Altaic (Other)          altaïques, autres langues A.1
> tut     Altaic languages        altaïques, langues 3       L
> wak     Wakashan languages      wakashennes, langues A.1
> wak     Wakashan languages      wakash, langues 3       +
> wen     Sorbian languages       sorabes, langues A.1
> wen     Sorbian languages       sorabes, langues 3       -
> ypk     Yupik languages         yupik, langues  A.1
> ypk     Yupik languages         yupik, langues  3       -
> znd     Zande languages         zandé, langues  A.1
> znd     Zande languages         zandé, langues  3       -
>
> Best regards,
> Håvard
>
> --------------------
> Håvard Hjulstad
>   Standard Norge / Standards Norway
>   [log in to unmask]
> --------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On 
> Behalf Of Peter Constable
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:39 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: decision required: "other" collections
>
> > From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On 
> > Behalf Of Rebecca S. Guenther
>
>
> > So if we were to change the (Other) to Languages, would that help
> with
> > the IETF concerns?
>
> Yes. The biggest IETF concerns have to do with stability of the 
> semantic/ID association. Making that change eliminates the inherent 
> instability.
>
>
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Peter

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