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Subject:

Re: Songbooks was Re: [ARSCLIST] Sinatra & Ella: The King and the Queen.

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Francesco Martinelli <[log in to unmask]>

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Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List <[log in to unmask]>

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Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:32:18 +0200

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I know the meaning of the word, and I think it applies.
You said that "she was really the first person to do the "songbook" of a 
particular composer or team". This is purposefully not true. Lee Wiley did, 
not one but I believe four times, in the Thirties. The idea was then reused 
by the Fitzgerald/Granz team. That you consider Wiley a second-rate singer 
or that the definitive version was made by Fitzgerald, is perfectly 
legitimate, as well as a contrary opinion, but they are opinions and do not 
change facts, or dates.
I like when opposing facts are defined "purely technical" - a 
disinformational technique.
FM
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aaron Levinson" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Songbooks was Re: [ARSCLIST] Sinatra & Ella: The 
King and the Queen.


> First of all Francesco it is not "disinformation"(look up the word). 
> Second, I personally do not think that 8 songs by a second rate singer is 
> the same as the exhaustive and definitive undertaking of Ms. Fitzgerald. 
> While on a purely technical level Lee Wiley may take precedence, no one 
> looks back on their career and says with adulterated pride "Lee Wiley 
> recorded my songs."
>
> AA
>
> Francesco Martinelli wrote:
>> Since this bit of disinformation gets said and repeated, I think it is 
>> appropriate to mention that in the thirties "Lee Wiley was the first jazz 
>> singer to record a full album (eight songs in the '78' days) dedicated to 
>> the music of one composer; her "songbooks" preceded Ella Fitzgerald's by 
>> more than 15 years." (Scott Yanow)
>> Francesco Martinelli
>> Siena Jazz
>> Centro Studi sul Jazz Arrigo Polillo
>> Fortezza Medicea, 10
>> 53100     S I E N A
>> I T A L Y
>> http://centrostudi.sienajazz.it
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Cox" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Sinatra & Ella: The King and the Queen.
>>
>>
>>> On 07/07/08, Aaron Levinson wrote:
>>>> That's so great to hear Bob. I'm not surprised of course just happy
>>>> that she was acknowledged as such. I think it is important to note as
>>>> well that she was really the first person to do the "songbook" of a
>>>> particular composer or team.
>>>
>>> We have Norman Granz to thank for that idea - and for a great many
>>> other outstanding recordings.
>>>
>>>> When you got the Ella treatment you knew
>>>> that at least you're finest work was being immortalized by the zenith
>>>> of popular singers. Of course, everyone knows her version of Tisket a
>>>> Tasket which brought her into the spotlight and the duets with Pops
>>>> which are a special delight all their own but if I may single out a
>>>> performance that I believe is among the 5 or 10 greatest in the
>>>> history of recorded sound I urge people to listen to her version of
>>>> "Miss Otis Regrets". It is certainly not her most famous song but if
>>>> you are not moved by this extraordinary bit of magic you are simply
>>>> not alive.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> -- 
>>> Don Cox
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>
> 

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