After digging around on the Internet and skimming through "Making
People's Music; Moe Asch and Folkways Records," by Peter Goldsmith, I
think I have reconstructed the JATP release history:
o Volume 1 was released on Asch-Stinson from recordings of the
1944 JATP concert(s). Stinson continued to release their version into
at least the 1960s.
o After Asch split from Stinson (in 1946?), Granz continued to
provide additional JATP material to Asch and his Disc label. Disc
issue Volumes 2 - 5 plus some other items identified as "JATP."
o In the spring of 1947, Granz's contract with Disc ended, but
Moe Asch continued to release the JATP material. It took several
years for Granz to get the masters from Disc.
o Around 1949, Granz licensed the JATP rights to Mercury.
o In the meantime, Granz established his own label, which
ultimately changed names from Clef to NorGran to Verve. When the
Mercury licenses ran out (1952?), he re-issued the JATP masters on Clef.
At 7/8/2008 03:48 PM, you wrote:
>I have several volumes of JATP on Mercury 78's. They are definitely
>badged Mercury and have "Norman Granz Presents" on the label.
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>>The first JATP album was definitely on Asch-Stinson (did it ever
>>appear on pre-Stinson Asch?). Granz took the masters to Moe. Disc
>>got Volume II (did this appear in various forms on ten-inch and
>>twelve-inch and with 2 discs and 3? I seem to remember variant
>>versions of it). Then, over to Clef for remaining volumes, and
>>there were some sets that appeared both on Disc and Clef (like The
>>Groove Juice Symphony).
>>John Ross wrote:
>>>Were first JATP releases on Mercury? I have a Fall 1946 Disc
>>>Catalog that includes about half a dozen Norman Granz productions,
>>>including "Jazz at the Philharmonic--Vol 2" (Disc Album 501) and
>>>several other "-- at the Philharmonic" items. There's no "Vol. 1"
>>>in the catalog, which suggests that it might have been issued by
>>>somebody else. I don't think Moe Asch ever took anything out of
>>>his catalog voluntarily.
>>>Disc was Moe Asch's label before he established Folkways. At some
>>>point, he went into a partnership with Stinson, which led to many
>>>of the early "Folksay" things appearing on both labels after they
>>>split apart. There were several JATP releases on Stinson, probably
>>>with some of the same material as the Norgran/Verve titles.
>>>How did Disc and Stinson fit into the release history of the JATP
>>>At 7/8/2008 05:50 AM, Tom Fine wrote:
>>>>One man's opinion here -- Norman Granz never gets the credit he
>>>>deserves. I think there were some animosities with the
>>>>self-appointed "experts" and "critics" back in the Verve days,
>>>>and that might have something to do with it. He also didn't write
>>>>an autobiography (at least that I know of), unfortunately. This
>>>>guy built three distinct and great catalogs of jazz -- 1) the
>>>>Jazz at the Philharmonic live recordings, and the related
>>>>in-studio jam sessions (first released through Mercury and then
>>>>through Norgran/Verve), 2) the excellent Verve studio recordings
>>>>of the 50's that continued even after Granz sold the label to
>>>>MGM, 3) and then, out of retirement, the Pablo catalog, which has
>>>>some weak spots but also proves the amazing longevity of some of
>>>>the jazz greats.