This sounds right vis-a-vis Mercury. There was a time in the 1949-1952 era when John Hammond, Mitch
Miller and Norman Granz all worked out of Mercury's 5th Avenue offices. When you think of how much
jazz and pop music those guys were involved in, it's really amazing.
-- Tom Fine
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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Granz and JATP (Was:Sinatra & Ella)
> After digging around on the Internet and skimming through "Making People's Music; Moe Asch and
> Folkways Records," by Peter Goldsmith, I think I have reconstructed the JATP release history:
> o Volume 1 was released on Asch-Stinson from recordings of the 1944 JATP concert(s). Stinson
> continued to release their version into at least the 1960s.
> o After Asch split from Stinson (in 1946?), Granz continued to provide additional JATP
> material to Asch and his Disc label. Disc issue Volumes 2 - 5 plus some other items identified as
> o In the spring of 1947, Granz's contract with Disc ended, but Moe Asch continued to release
> the JATP material. It took several years for Granz to get the masters from Disc.
> o Around 1949, Granz licensed the JATP rights to Mercury.
> o In the meantime, Granz established his own label, which ultimately changed names from Clef
> to NorGran to Verve. When the Mercury licenses ran out (1952?), he re-issued the JATP masters on
> John Ross
> At 7/8/2008 03:48 PM, you wrote:
>>I have several volumes of JATP on Mercury 78's. They are definitely badged Mercury and have
>>"Norman Granz Presents" on the label.
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lennick" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:48 PM
>>Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Granz and JATP (Was:Sinatra & Ella)
>>>The first JATP album was definitely on Asch-Stinson (did it ever appear on pre-Stinson Asch?).
>>>Granz took the masters to Moe. Disc got Volume II (did this appear in various forms on ten-inch
>>>and twelve-inch and with 2 discs and 3? I seem to remember variant versions of it). Then, over to
>>>Clef for remaining volumes, and there were some sets that appeared both on Disc and Clef (like
>>>The Groove Juice Symphony).
>>>John Ross wrote:
>>>>Were first JATP releases on Mercury? I have a Fall 1946 Disc Catalog that includes about half a
>>>>dozen Norman Granz productions, including "Jazz at the Philharmonic--Vol 2" (Disc Album 501) and
>>>>several other "-- at the Philharmonic" items. There's no "Vol. 1" in the catalog, which suggests
>>>>that it might have been issued by somebody else. I don't think Moe Asch ever took anything out
>>>>of his catalog voluntarily.
>>>>Disc was Moe Asch's label before he established Folkways. At some point, he went into a
>>>>partnership with Stinson, which led to many of the early "Folksay" things appearing on both
>>>>labels after they split apart. There were several JATP releases on Stinson, probably with some
>>>>of the same material as the Norgran/Verve titles.
>>>>How did Disc and Stinson fit into the release history of the JATP recordings?
>>>>At 7/8/2008 05:50 AM, Tom Fine wrote:
>>>>>One man's opinion here -- Norman Granz never gets the credit he deserves. I think there were
>>>>>some animosities with the self-appointed "experts" and "critics" back in the Verve days, and
>>>>>that might have something to do with it. He also didn't write an autobiography (at least that I
>>>>>know of), unfortunately. This guy built three distinct and great catalogs of jazz -- 1) the
>>>>>Jazz at the Philharmonic live recordings, and the related in-studio jam sessions (first
>>>>>released through Mercury and then through Norgran/Verve), 2) the excellent Verve studio
>>>>>recordings of the 50's that continued even after Granz sold the label to MGM, 3) and then, out
>>>>>of retirement, the Pablo catalog, which has some weak spots but also proves the amazing
>>>>>longevity of some of the jazz greats.