Is this El Greco the painter or the place? ;-)
Zehua


Greg Smith wrote:
> And what about:
> El Greco y el ciudad Romano del tiempo antico
> ???
> [sorry--I couldn't resist a little cataloging humor at the end of a 
> hot summer's week]
> --Greg
>
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>     *Subject:* Re: [PCCLIST] El Greco - to file on "El" or not in titles
>
>     It seems the 2nd indicator in this case should be "0" according to
>     LCRI 21.30J and LCRI 22.4:
>
>         LCRI 21.30J:
>         Retain initial articles and record an appropriate value in the
>         non-filing indicator (indicator position 2). Use value "0"
>         when an article is to be filed on as follows:
>            a) the title begins with an article that appears as part of
>         a personal, geographic, or corporate name and is retained in
>         such a name according to LCRI 22.4, LCRI 23.2, or AACR2 rule
>         24.5A;
>
>         LCRI 22.4:
>         If the language is not Arabic, Hebrew, Yiddish, or Urdu,
>         retain initial articles at the beginning of the entry element.
>
>     I am wondering why the article "El" was not retained in the
>     heading when it was established.  Was there any particular reason?
>
>     Sun Zehua
>     Principal Cataloger
>     Hong Kong University of Science and Technology Library
>
>     Adam L. Schiff wrote:
>>     I've found a mix of practice in both OCLC and our local catalog
>>     as to whether the initial article "El" in "El Greco" should be
>>     skipped when it is at the start of a title, such as:
>>
>>     El Greco and his school
>>     El Greco in the collection of the Hispanic Society of America
>>     El Greco revisited
>>     El Greco in Italy and Italian art
>>     El Greco to Goya
>>     El Greco y el arte de su tiempo
>>     El Greco kommentiert den Wettstreit der Kunste
>>
>>     So what do you all think?  Should the second indicator in field
>>     245 for these titles be 0 or 3?  Is there a definitive answer
>>     that we could arrive at?  For the record, the personal name
>>     heading is established as:
>>     Greco, $d 1541?-1614.
>>
>>     I've seen similar discrepancies with titles beginning with Le
>>     Corbusier, but the predominant coding of the second indicator is
>>     0.  In this case, his heading is established as Le Corbusier,
>>     1887-1965, so it seems clear that the initial article in the name
>>     is not to be ignored.
>>
>>     Le Corbusier et l'architecture sacree
>>     Le Corbusier secret
>>     Le Corbusier and the concept of self
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>
>>     Adam
>>
>>     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>     Adam L. Schiff
>>     Principal Cataloger
>>     University of Washington Libraries
>>     Box 352900
>>     Seattle, WA 98195-2900
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>