Most Columbia pre-WW2 jazz reissues derive from original metal parts, and
post-war pressings are always dubs. I suspect that the post-war popularity
of record changers prompted new pressings with lead-in and "improved "
lead-out grooves that activated changer mechanisms more aggressively.
Sometimes you can spot altered lead -out grooves on pressings from
original metals. The 1937 Bessie Smith memorial album and four 1933
Goodman titles reissued on the special BENNY GOODMAN label (3167-D,
3168-D) were all dubbed. They also marked the end of Columbia's 1-D
series, created in 1923.
Victor reissued a lot of 1920s jazz on Bluebird from the mid-30s onward,
from both original and dubbed metals. Album reissue setsof JR Morton,
McKinney's Cotton Pickers etc. appeared in both Canada and the US.
Canadian sets use original parts; US equivalents are dubbed.
Victor kept most of its Carter Family and Jimmie Rodgers titles available
in the Bluebird and Montgomery Ward catalogs through the 1930s, The first
Bluebird B-5000 series reissues were dubbed, just about everything else
used original parts.
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Re: [ARSCLIST] Bix Beiderbecke "reissue" 78's
Jeff Wheeler has a book in progress on this isssue-er-reissue situation.
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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Bix Beiderbecke "reissue" 78's
> Biltmore, not Biltmor..Biltmor was a Canadian label around 1950. Funny
> about dropping the final E on common names..there was a label up here
> called Yorkshir as well. We drop Es and add Us.
> Biltmore, Temple, Sentry (and a few others) all put out dubs of rare
> 78s. Some of them weren't too atrocious. Some were..but how else were
> going to say you owned a copy of Zulu's Ball?
> David Lennick wrote:
>> Sweet Sue was a dub, and there are two versions..the complete original
>> (4:25 or so) and one with the "florid introduction" removed. We had the
>> set with the complete version but the liner notes were unchanged, so
>> years I wondered how much longer the original could have been! I didn't
>> find the shorter version till just a few years ago.
>> And the second album is definitely all dubs, but all the Columbia
>> albums were dubs by this time, like Crosby Classics Volume II. In fact
>> Columbia was dubbing older European classical masters as well c. 1950.
>> Did Boris Rose have anything to do with Biltmor? I've seen some
>> where the labels were the blank sides of old Biltmor labels.
>> David Weiner wrote:
>>> Some of the Columbia reissues - especially the first album, are
>>> master pressings. I think the later album is all dubs.
>>> The Biltmores are definitely all bootleg dubs.
>>> Dave W.
>>> Hi All:
>>> I am interested in details about two Bix Beiderbecke reissue 78's.
>>> First of all, the albums put out by Columbia in the late 40's,
>>> Okeh records -- were those made from old metal parts or are they dubs
>>> old records?
>>> Second, what's the story on the 78's put out on the Biltmore label?
>>> seem to be either licensed reissues or bootlegs of old Gennett and
>>> Victor records, of the Wolverines
>>> and the Whiteman band.
>>> Thanks in advance for any answers!
>>> -- Tom Fine