I appreciate and thank you for sharing your experiences on this topic, I do
not believe it to be an issue concerning student/real world sacrifices
anymore, but a sheer lack of supportive and interested faculty.

We recently had a lecture here at Duquesne on Creating Intellectual
Community I think it was called, but the speaker was a woman from Stanford
University speaking about the results of the Carnegie study on the Doctorate
and what the experience should be like.
I sat there nodding my head the whole hour and left still confused about my
own experience.
Apparently these questions are coming to the forefront of the Academy radar,
across the board, however in LIS, there is a critical lack and it is not
because there is a shortage in the field, but from my view of things, other
competing priorities in the Ivory Tower. It is not even collegial at some
schools, but hostile if you wish to study certain areas, and yes people will
leave on their own or be pushed out at the first chance available.

Catalogers are now orphans in some doctoral programs it seems (not Drexel),
unless you call yourself something else and hide away. With some efforts,
I believe things could change.

THank you Hope, for your thoughts & ideas ,
   Karen

Karen Weaver, MLS
Adjunct Instructor, Cataloging & Classification
The iSchool at Drexel
PHiladelphia PA
email: [log in to unmask]

Electronic Resources Statistician
Duquesne University, Gumberg Library
Pittsburgh PA
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Hope A Olson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Yes, we need to thank Danny for this info, however disturbing. I'm
> wondering if part of the problem is residency requirements which definitely
> have pros and cons. When I, after 16 years of practice mainly cataloging or
> managing cataloging, went off to do my PhD it was possible mainly because of
> an unusually generous paid leave from my employer. At that point in life I
> couldn't do the conventional impoverished grad student thing. Even then, I
> spent years 2-5 of my PhD as an assistant prof, but with terrific collegial
> and family support. Anyone less fortunate might well not be able to do it.
> Life does get in the way sometimes.
>
> On the other hand, that year (really two semesters) of residency allowed me
> to think. I wouldn't have been able to do that sort of cerebral work without
> a leave from other responsibilities. When we put together our PhD program
> here at U Wisconsin-Milwaukee we considered an online PhD. We have a very
> successful online MLIS so we know how to teach online. But we felt, at least
> to start, that the PhD should be conventionally onsite. A PhD is a collegial
> degree - in some ways a research apprenticeship. I'm not yet sure how to do
> that online (tho' I won't say it's not possible).
>
> The one thing that I can say with certainty is that at U
> Wisconsin-Milwaukee we do have faculty (current and soon to join us) and
> courses to support doctoral study with a focus on cataloging. Take a look at
> http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/SOIS/academics/doctoral.htm and feel free to
> contact me if you want to know more.
>
> Hope
>
>
> Hope A. Olson, Professor and Associate Dean
> School of Information Studies
> 510G Bolton Hall
> University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
> Milwaukee, WI 53201
> USA
> http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/SOIS
> email [log in to unmask]
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Weaver" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:05:20 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [eduCAT] So, who has doctoral students in cataloging?
>
> Daniel: Thank you for asking the question -- !
>
> I would appreciate hearing the results on this too, from my own
> experience, and that of other potential and present doctoral students
> it is a serious concern on many different levels.
>
> Lack of faculty who are supportive in these areas = lack of a strong
> curricula and future in LIS programs. Being 'marginalized' as you may
> know, is a good term to use. The pool of talent exists out there, so there
> are other excuses.
>
> All the best,
> Karen
>
> Karen Weaver, MLS
> Adjunct Instructor, Cataloging & Classification
> The iSchool at Drexel
> Philadelphia PA
> email: [log in to unmask]
>
> Electronic Resources Statistician
> Duquesne University, Gumberg Library
> Pittsburgh PA
> email: [log in to unmask]
>