For those interested, here is a link to the recent lecture at Duquesne
U. which I mentioned
and there is now a link to the webcast of the presentation by Chris Golde
from Stanford
she is co-author of a book entitled: The Formation of Scholars: rethinking
doctoral education for the twenty-first century (2008)

http://www.education.duq.edu/dialogueseries/

Best, Karen W.





On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Karen Weaver <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I appreciate and thank you for sharing your experiences on this topic, I do
> not believe it to be an issue concerning student/real world sacrifices
> anymore, but a sheer lack of supportive and interested faculty.
>
> We recently had a lecture here at Duquesne on Creating Intellectual
> Community I think it was called, but the speaker was a woman from Stanford
> University speaking about the results of the Carnegie study on the Doctorate
> and what the experience should be like.
> I sat there nodding my head the whole hour and left still confused about my
> own experience.
> Apparently these questions are coming to the forefront of the Academy
> radar, across the board, however in LIS, there is a critical lack and it is
> not because there is a shortage in the field, but from my view of things,
> other competing priorities in the Ivory Tower. It is not even collegial at
> some schools, but hostile if you wish to study certain areas, and yes people
> will leave on their own or be pushed out at the first chance available.
>
> Catalogers are now orphans in some doctoral programs it seems (not Drexel),
> unless you call yourself something else and hide away. With some efforts,
> I believe things could change.
>
> THank you Hope, for your thoughts & ideas ,
> Karen
>
> Karen Weaver, MLS
> Adjunct Instructor, Cataloging & Classification
> The iSchool at Drexel
> PHiladelphia PA
> email: [log in to unmask]
>
> Electronic Resources Statistician
> Duquesne University, Gumberg Library
> Pittsburgh PA
> email: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Hope A Olson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Yes, we need to thank Danny for this info, however disturbing. I'm
>> wondering if part of the problem is residency requirements which definitely
>> have pros and cons. When I, after 16 years of practice mainly cataloging or
>> managing cataloging, went off to do my PhD it was possible mainly because of
>> an unusually generous paid leave from my employer. At that point in life I
>> couldn't do the conventional impoverished grad student thing. Even then, I
>> spent years 2-5 of my PhD as an assistant prof, but with terrific collegial
>> and family support. Anyone less fortunate might well not be able to do it.
>> Life does get in the way sometimes.
>>
>> On the other hand, that year (really two semesters) of residency allowed
>> me to think. I wouldn't have been able to do that sort of cerebral work
>> without a leave from other responsibilities. When we put together our PhD
>> program here at U Wisconsin-Milwaukee we considered an online PhD. We have a
>> very successful online MLIS so we know how to teach online. But we felt, at
>> least to start, that the PhD should be conventionally onsite. A PhD is a
>> collegial degree - in some ways a research apprenticeship. I'm not yet sure
>> how to do that online (tho' I won't say it's not possible).
>>
>> The one thing that I can say with certainty is that at U
>> Wisconsin-Milwaukee we do have faculty (current and soon to join us) and
>> courses to support doctoral study with a focus on cataloging. Take a look at
>> http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/SOIS/academics/doctoral.htm and feel free to
>> contact me if you want to know more.
>>
>> Hope
>>
>>
>> Hope A. Olson, Professor and Associate Dean
>> School of Information Studies
>> 510G Bolton Hall
>> University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
>> Milwaukee, WI 53201
>> USA
>> http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/SOIS
>> email [log in to unmask]
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Karen Weaver" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:05:20 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: Re: [eduCAT] So, who has doctoral students in cataloging?
>>
>> Daniel: Thank you for asking the question -- !
>>
>> I would appreciate hearing the results on this too, from my own
>> experience, and that of other potential and present doctoral students
>> it is a serious concern on many different levels.
>>
>> Lack of faculty who are supportive in these areas = lack of a strong
>> curricula and future in LIS programs. Being 'marginalized' as you may
>> know, is a good term to use. The pool of talent exists out there, so there
>> are other excuses.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Karen
>>
>> Karen Weaver, MLS
>> Adjunct Instructor, Cataloging & Classification
>> The iSchool at Drexel
>> Philadelphia PA
>> email: [log in to unmask]
>>
>> Electronic Resources Statistician
>> Duquesne University, Gumberg Library
>> Pittsburgh PA
>> email: [log in to unmask]
>>
>
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