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Re: ISO 639 JAC decision re mo/mol

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Debbie Garside <[log in to unmask]>

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Me too!

Debbie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stewart, Margaret
> Sent: 06 November 2008 18:14
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: ISO 639 JAC decision re mo/mol
>
>  I agree as well.
>
>
> Margaret Stewart
> Manager, Standards / Gestionnaire, Normes Strategic
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rebecca S Guenther
> Sent: November 6, 2008 12:21 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: ISO 639 JAC decision re mo/mol
>
> I also agree.
> I have added to the change notice that we have deprecated
> mo/mol but have not yet updated the 639-2 tables. I will wait
> until we have a decision on the names.
>
> >>> Peter Constable <[log in to unmask]> 11/06/08 12:14 PM >>>
> I as well.
>
> Peter
>
> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Patton,Glenn
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:05 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: ISO 639 JAC decision re mo/mol
>
>
> I agree also.
>
> --Glenn
>
> OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc.
>
> ________________________________
> From: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Thu Nov 06 09:45:50 2008
> Subject: Re: [ISOJAC] ISO 639 JAC decision re mo/mol
>
> Perhaps we could speed this along by voicing assent prior to
> next Thursday? I would like to publish both the deprecation
> and the name additions in one step for the ISO 639-3 website,
> so the sooner the names are resolved, the better.
>
> I agree with the proposal for the names as Håvard has stated them.
>
> -Joan
>
> Håvard Hjulstad <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent by: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]>
>
> 2008-11-05 05:43 PM
> Please respond to
> ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee <[log in to unmask]>
>
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> To
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> Re: ISO 639 JAC decision re mo/mol
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> Dear ISO 639 JAC members (voting members and the rest of you),
>
> My proposal is as follows: If no JAC members has voiced a
> different opinion during the next week (by 13 November), the
> names associated with "ro/ron/rum" will be:
> Romanian; Moldavian; Moldovan (in English) roumain, moldave
> (in French)
>
> To be clear: "different opinion" may relate both to the
> subject matter and the procedure.
>
> Best regards,
> Håvard
>
> --------------------
> Håvard Hjulstad
>  Standard Norge / Standards Norway
>  [log in to unmask]
> --------------------
>
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> På vegne av Gerhard Budin
> Sendt: 5. november 2008 07:56
> Til: [log in to unmask]
> Emne: Re: ISO 639 JAC decision re mo/mol
>
> Håvard, I agree with you!
>
>
>
> > I agree. The JAC hasn't made a formal decision (yet), but I guess we
> should change the reference name of the item "ro" "ron/rum"
> to "Romanian; Moldavian; Moldovan" and "roumain, moldave".
> >
> > The ISO 639 standards series has as its general title "Codes for the
> representation of names of languages". I tend to disagree
> with the notion that "names of languages" is the actual
> object of standardization; it is the linguistic entity itself
> that is the object.
> In the process of finalization of ISO 639-4 (now submitted to CS for
> DIS.2 ballot) there may be a chance to re-address this issue.
> Once you get that document for comment, you should look at
> the entire title to assess whether it can be improved (which
> I know it can), and whether some text should be inserted
> somewhere to capture this important issue.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Håvard
> >
> > --------------------
> > Håvard Hjulstad
> >   Standard Norge / Standards Norway
> >   [log in to unmask]
> > --------------------
> >
> > -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> > Fra: ISO 639 Joint Advisory Committee [mailto:[log in to unmask]] På
> vegne av Rebecca S Guenther
> > Sendt: 3. november 2008 22:23
> > Til: [log in to unmask]
> > Emne: Fwd: Re: ISO 639 JAC decision re mo/mol
> >
> > See forwarded message.  I was expecting some people not to be very
> happy about this decision. I hope we are not overwhelmed by
> letters of disagreement. Of course the answer is that we are
> standardizing the code, not the language name, and that the
> code is an identifier, not an abbreviation for the language.
> And that Moldovan is a variant of Romanian and can use the
> script code for Cyrillic.
> >
> > If anyone has additional ideas for an explanation of our decision,
> please let me know.
> >
> > Rebecca
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Univ.-Prof. Dr. Gehard Budin
> Center for Translation Studies
> University of Vienna
> Gymnasiumstraße 50, 1190 Vienna
> Tel: +43 1 4277 58020
> Fax: +43 1 4277 9580
>
>
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