LISTSERV mailing list manager LISTSERV 16.0

Help for PCCLIST Archives


PCCLIST Archives

PCCLIST Archives


PCCLIST@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Monospaced Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

PCCLIST Home

PCCLIST Home

PCCLIST  November 2008

PCCLIST November 2008

Subject:

Re: Form of Heading for a Thesis

From:

Antony Robert David Franks <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Program for Cooperative Cataloging <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:39:11 -0500

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (108 lines)

The record as contributed is, indeed, correct. It does not, however, reflect the difficulties of the situtation faced by the cataloger, nor the discussion we have had on the list.

It's only 6:30 a.m., and I'm a bit bleary, but I have done an OCLC search and made some revisions to the record no2008163514.

If Mr Russell prefers a different heading, ask him to publish more items with that form of name, or to contact me.

As generations of Frankses would now say, "Basta!"

>>> john g marr <[log in to unmask]> 11/5/2008 2:44 PM >>>

Hi Anthony:

      The heading in question has just been established as "Russell, Marc
James, 1975- " with reference (670) to a publication in-hand citing
"Russell, Marc J." and to the author's theses usage of "Russell, Marc
James" and thesis heading "Russell, Marc James, 1975- ".

    We could say the issue is now moot, but for the sake of argument and
future reference (or perhaps a NACO person could happen along to "massage"
the existing record?), let's resolve this very common problem
using the example available.

On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Antony Robert David Franks wrote:

> 22.3A goes on to discuss using the fullest form of name in use by the
> author and how to select that. While the lead-in to that discussion is
> that one has found *headings* based upon a usage that differs from the
> usage of the item in hand, the actual discussion is based upon the
> actual usage found on the bibliographic records.

   The discussion should actually begin with the form of name on the work
being cataloged, which is "Russell, Marc J.", and by noting that this work
is a "publication", and that a thesis is not a publication.

   There are no "Marc J. Russell" headings for other persons in OCLC, so
there is no need to refer to the rules for distinguishing identical names.
There are rules under this category in AACR2 which refer to adding data to
headings even if there is no need to, and a good rule clarification might
be to relocate these to a separate section of the rules (e.g. "Additions
to names not requiring distinction").

   Were LC to be the cataloger of the item of concern in this thread, it
would establish the heading as "Russell, Marc. J.", having no needed or
prescribed (internal policy) recourse to other data.

   The just-established record does not (yet) cite usage in the OCLC
database for which it was created. Excepting the work cataloged in
relation to this thread, the OCLC usage = Marc Russell (2 publications +
M.A. thesis) + Marc James Russell (Ph D. thesis). Thus there is (simply)
no 80% to consider.

> When there is no commonly found form *choose the fullest form as the
> AACR2 form.* (When determining the fullest form for a person who uses
> both forename initials and forenames, make no distinction between
> initials and forenames, e.g., "B.E.F. Pagen" is fuller than "Bernard
> Edward Pagen.")

   Discussion of this part of the LCRI should begin with consideration of
AACR2 0.14 = "The examples ... are illustrative and not prescriptive",
which means that the example given is not meant to limit the meaning
and/or intent of the statement illustrated to situations like the example.

> As Mr. Russell has not been blessed with additional forenames and
> initials as have others of us, it does appear that your heading is
>
> 100 1 $a Russell, Marc James, $d 1975-

   Making "no distinction between forename initials and forenames" in
determining "fullness", and giving precedence of consideration to (1) the
work in hand and (2) publications (over theses) and (3) "Marc J." being
"fuller" than "Marc", the "basis" for the heading is "Russell, Marc J."

   The option under 22.17 allows a date to be added. AACR2 and LCRI 22.18A
allow addition of "the full form of an initial", "if the fuller form of a
person's name ... does not include *all* of that fuller form." This
corroborates the idea that a "full form of a name" is considered "full"
despite lacking expansion of initials.

  Thus, the information on the author's thesis record (transcription and
date in heading) allows the heading to be expanded to: "Russell, Marc J.
$q (Marc James), $d 1975- .

> Anthony R.D. Franks

PS (sardonic grin): I note that your 1st forename is spelled differently
in your e-mail address (see header) and your signature. Which is
"correct"? And which of the equally "full forms" of your other forenames
do you prefer, "R. D." or "Robert David"?

   And apologies to Mr. Russell for batting around his appellation so
thoroughly.

Cheers!

                                             John G. Marr
                                             Cataloger
                                             RMBA, UNMGL
                                             Univ. of New Mexico
                                             Albuquerque, NM 87131
                                             [log in to unmask]
                                             [log in to unmask]

         **"I really like to know the reasons for what I do!"**
                                             Martha Watson

Opinions belong exclusively to the individuals expressing them, but
sharing is permitted.

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

Advanced Options


Options

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password


Search Archives

Search Archives


Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe


Archives

July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004
September 2004
August 2004
July 2004
June 2004
May 2004
April 2004
March 2004
February 2004
January 2004
December 2003
November 2003
October 2003
September 2003
August 2003
July 2003
June 2003
May 2003
April 2003
March 2003
February 2003
January 2003
December 2002
November 2002
October 2002
September 2002
August 2002
July 2002
June 2002
May 2002
April 2002
March 2002
February 2002
January 2002
December 2001
November 2001
October 2001
September 2001
August 2001
July 2001
June 2001
May 2001
April 2001
March 2001
February 2001
January 2001
December 2000
November 2000
October 2000
September 2000
August 2000
July 2000
June 2000
May 2000
April 2000
March 2000
February 2000
January 2000
December 1999
November 1999
October 1999
September 1999
August 1999
July 1999
June 1999
May 1999
April 1999
March 1999
February 1999
January 1999
December 1998
November 1998
October 1998
September 1998
August 1998
July 1998
June 1998
May 1998
April 1998
March 1998
February 1998
January 1998
December 1997
November 1997
October 1997

ATOM RSS1 RSS2



LISTSERV.LOC.GOV

CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager