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ZNG May 2009

Subject:

Re: One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All

From:

Rob Sanderson <[log in to unmask]>

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SRU (Search and Retrieve Via URL) Implementors

Date:

Wed, 20 May 2009 17:24:36 +0100

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We can't decide for OpenURL which identifiers they're going to use (or
SWORD, or PMH, or any other protocol).

There are other non digital library registries as well, for example:
  http://www.gdfr.info/udfr.html   (Global Digital Format Registry)

XML Schema Registries:
  http://xml.gov/registries.asp

and so forth.

So we /could/ simply use the OpenURL identifiers in SRU, but unless that
community agree to merge lists (with the issues that Tony has brought up
about different methods of registering an identifier) we'd still have
two registries with two registration methods, which seems pretty
pointless.

Rob

On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 16:45 +0100, Ray Denenberg wrote:
> Although having two different identifier systems is a problem in theory, in 
> practice it appears to me that at this point there are only a handful (a 
> small number) of schemas that have identifiers of  both styles.
> 
> Could we perhaps:
> 1. precisely enumerate those that have the multiple identifiers.
> 2. come up with a procedure whereby when a schema identifier is needed:
>     -  First check if one already exists.
>     -  If it does, then it should be used, both by SRU and OpenURL, 
> regardless of which syle it is.
>     - if it does not, then assign an identifier: OpenURL style if it is 
> (initially) for OpenURL use, SRU style if for SRU, and both registries add 
> it.
> 
> --Ray
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hammond, Tony" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:17 AM
> Subject: Re: One Data Format Identifier (and Registry) to Rule Them All
> 
> 
> > Hi Rob:
> >
> > Yes, indeed they do.
> >
> > We've just put up an OAI server and are using PAM but as yet have no URI 
> > for
> > that:
> >
> >    http://www.nature.com/oai/request?verb=ListMetadataFormats
> >
> > In fact I'm on a call in an hour with the PRISM folks to address just this
> > issue. Hoping to get a URL for the schema so that we can register with SRU
> > (with an SRU style identifier at this time).
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 20/5/09 15:52, "Rob Sanderson" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> PMH has an operation listMetadataFormats which lists the local names and
> >> any other information it has about the formats it supports.
> >>
> >> eg:
> >> http://alcme.oclc.org/openurl/servlet/OAIHandler?verb=ListMetadataFormats
> >>
> >> (view source to see the response without the helpful XSLT)
> >>
> >> Eg, they have the problem, but don't even bother with a registry.
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 15:30 +0100, Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress
> >> wrote:
> >>> From: "Dr R. Sanderson" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>> There isn't one, but the protocol has the same requirements as SRU and
> >>>> OpenURL.
> >>>
> >>> I remain confused.   If the protocol has the requirement to specify a 
> >>> schema
> >>> identifier, there must be some way for an implementor to (1) find out 
> >>> the
> >>> appropriate identifier for a particular schema, including finding out 
> >>> that
> >>> there isn't one; and (2) register an identifier for a schema when there
> >>> isn't one.
> >>>
> >>> --Ray
> >
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