Thanks for the heads up Tom. I am chiming in. Latin music is woefully
absent from this list and I have been trying for the past 3 years to
actively redress this issue. I am a member of a committee that I am not
at liberty to publicly reveal that has been consulted on this very
question and I was dismayed by the response to my imprecations. While
some of the music that I and others suggested for inclusion did make its
way through, much more did not. From Machito to Puente and Jose
Feliciano to the criminally neglected early Perez Prado recording a
great deal of this extraordinary material has been brushed aside in
favor of jazz recordings. Like Tom, I am an avid jazz aficionado,
collector and even producer as my resume reflects but I too feel that
the LoC has been remiss in its mission and that a certain cultural
myopia has crept into the process. It is my hope that people with the
proper credentials will be recruited to the screening process and that
the fecund and extraordinary body of Latin recordings will be more
adequately represented in future rounds, but as the rules stand now many
important works are not making their way in and apparently will not ever.
I am truly saddened by this prospect.
Vincent Pelote wrote:
> I don't want to get into a raging debate about Mr. Fine's comments
> about the list being too jazz heavy, but the criteria for a
> recording's inclusion is stated below:
> "Recordings selected for the National Recording Registry are those
> that are culturally, historically or aesthetically important, and/or
> inform or reflect life in the United States."
> Doesn't it make sense then that a music as culturally, historically
> and aesthetically important as jazz (often called "America's classical
> music") should be heavily represented in a National Recording
> Registry? Why is it that other countries (France, Denmark, Japan,
> etc.) revere jazz more than the land where it was created?
> Vincent Pelote
> Tom Fine wrote:
>> The Command records, specifically "Persuasive Percussion,"
>> "Provacative Percussion," "Big Band Bossa Nova," and "Stereo/35mm"
>> all charted, in fact Persuasive was at the top of the Billboard
>> stereo album charts for weeks and weeks. I know for a fact that
>> "Persuasive" and "Provacative" together sold over 1 million records,
>> and the briefly-available CD reissues sell for dozens of dollars
>> used. These were immensely popular records in their time, and were
>> very important to the industry as far as getting stereo established
>> with the listening public, the Regular Joes.
>> I don't know about 1000 Strings, but I think Esquavel sold quite
>> well, too. After the massive success of Command, all the major labels
>> tried doing percussion and "stereo spectacular" records. Some sold
>> quite well, many were expensive flops, some are better remembered
>> today than they were accepted by the public when released.
>> Also not on the list but deserving to be there are the only two
>> classical Gold Records from the 1950's -- the Mercury mono "1812
>> Overture" (Dorati/Minneapolis) and Van Cliburn's "victory lap"
>> recording after he won the Moscow competition, on RCA. I believe in
>> those days, Gold meant half a million or more in sales dollars, not
>> 500,000 units.
>> I hesitate to suggest this, but ... if you're making a registry
>> that's truly representative of Americans' recording and listening
>> tastes, then you need to include something disco from the mid-70's.
>> I'd suggest that the soundtrack to "Saturday Night Fever," which I
>> think went mulit-platinum, would cover that.
>> I'm not sure how the nominating process works, but this list is very
>> jazz heavy. Just to be clear, I love jazz and have a huge collection
>> of jazz albums and listen to jazz more frequently than any other type
>> of music, but, it was never what paid the bills for the music
>> business, at least not from the dawn of LPs forward. It was a freak
>> occurance for a jazz album to be a mainstream hit, and those albums
>> do belong on the list, stuff like "Kind of Blue," and "The Girl from
>> Ipanema." I don't have a beef with deep-catalog jazz on the list, I
>> just wish other stuff that had a much wider influence on the
>> listening public were on the list.
>> Oh, one other thing that belongs on the list if you're including
>> important audio documents. Mickey Kapp made a 6-LP deluxe set for
>> Time-Life called "To The Moon" that summed up the space program
>> through the first moon landing and included extensive NASA and other
>> audio. It was more general and more all-encompassing than any other
>> space-related recording and apparently sold many copies based on how
>> many used and well-worn copies show up on eBay and in record shops
>> I've visited.
>> It was nice to see O. Winston Link's train recordings listed, but
>> what about Emory Cook's, which were ground-breaking? I think Link's
>> are much cooler, but Cook was there first.
>> Mike, definitely agree about Sound in the Round, although I'm not
>> sure how many copies of this sold to a mass audience. I know it came
>> out on stereo LP (I have a mint copy), but I think it got its big
>> bang in the early 2T tape days, so that was a niche if highly
>> enthusiastic audience.
>> BTW, I'm not convinced the folks who write copy for this list are
>> even clear that stereo happened before 1958!
>> Ya know, the thought also occurred to me that Latin music is
>> under-represented, big-time! Anything from the Rhumba, Samba, Cha-Cha
>> records of the 1940s to Machito to Latin funk to more modern
>> pop-oriented Latin music like Ricky Martin (multi-platinum stuff,
>> should not be ignored even if it's not a typical collector's taste).
>> Aaron Levinson might chime in here, he's the true Latin expert on
>> this list.
>> -- Tom Fine
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Biel" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New LoC Recording Registry
>> From: Tom Fine <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Also, no early stereo pop stuff, which sold millions and millions of
>> Tom, you would have LOVED the presentation Dennis Rooney gave at ARSC
>> last week about 1959: the first full year of the stereo disc. It was so
>> evocative of my experiences in hi-fi that year I hit 13 and bought my
>> first component system (as partially just discussed in the prior posting
>> about getting my first tape recorder.) I was so glad my daughter was
>> sitting there next to me to hear it, especially since we had gone thru
>> the catalogs of 58 and 59 last year for a project she was doing. Of
>> course now I have to go thru the pre-recorded tape catalogs of those
>> years to figure out the prior question, but those catalogs are several
>> hundred miles away right now.
>> I assume that you mean things like the Command Persuasive/Provacative
>> Percussion series, the Somerset 101 Strings series, Bob Schory,
>> Esquavel, and Sounds Your Eyes Can Follow on RCA, etc. but there are a
>> fair amount of early stereo stuff from the 58-61 years like (1958) Dance
>> Mania. Tito Puente; Winds in Hi-Fi. Eastman Wind Ensemble with Frederick
>> Fennell; "Poeme Electronique." Edgard Varese; (1959)Time Out. The Dave
>> Brubeck Quartet; Mingus Ah-Um. Charles Mingus; Giant Steps. John
>> Coltrane; Kind of Blue. Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Cannonball Adderley,
>> Bill Evans, and others; "What'd I Say," parts 1 and 2. Ray Charles;
>> (1960) Drums of Passion. Michael Babatunde Olatunji; and (1961) Judy at
>> Carnegie Hall. Judy Garland.
>> We should nominate Sound in the Round, Music for Non-Thinkers, Music for
>> Bang Barooom and Harp, Delirium in Hi-Fi, Bob and Ray on A Platter,
>> Cartoons In Stereo, etc etc. I've been meaning to do these and a bunch
>> of other things but I never get around to it. You can put nominations
>> in year-round. They did The Churkendoose this year (one of my
>> favorites), and I've got a bunch of other kids records that also need to
>> be nominated. I resolve to do it, and all you other complainers, get
>> off your duffs (or stay on your duffs in front of the computer) and
>> nominate what you favor.
>> Mike Biel [log in to unmask]