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SV: [ARSCLIST] DC Art Tools for restoring old 78's/DeNoise/DeClick

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Jan Myren <[log in to unmask]>

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HI!

You wrote:

I use several "black box blinking lights" hardware audio processors.  

What kind of Black Boxes are you thinking about??

Regards
Jan

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Sendt: 19. juni 2009 04:34
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Emne: Re: [ARSCLIST] DC Art Tools for restoring old 78's/DeNoise/DeClick

I have used every thing from DC3 to the present DC7  restoration software
over at least 5  year period. 
I have produced restored audio for network television, independent record
company reissues.
This being said, i have found some basic software tools for  a lot less
money. here are the programs i  go with most of the time. 
For basic work page i use Sound Forge Audio studio 9.0, I like the full
screen work space for ease of editing and basic  audio manipulation.
For click and  noise removal a pair of shareware programs called "Click
repair" and "DeNoise" offer  an inexpensive alternative to DC7 and i think
fewer artifacts. Download at
http://wwwmaths.anu.edu.au/~briand/sound/software_download/clickrepair_info.
html
The "Declick" offers adjustable  settings for crackle and scratch ticks.
DEnoise, lets you take a print of noise and a visual graph of  the
application which  you can set the floor and  amount of  reduction. Works so
smooth.
In addition to the software I use several "black box blinking lights"
hardware audio processors.  
Hope this is helpful... ill be glad to post mp3 of samples.
dnward
calif USA


--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Karl Fitzke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Karl Fitzke <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] DC Art Tools for restoring old 78's
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 10:53 AM
> Jan,
> 
> I think you are referring to DCART/DC7.  I've used DC6
> for five years and consider it a great value for general
> purpose audio manipulation and more specifically, noise
> reduction.  I do have some stability issues on my
> system though, which I haven't gotten to the bottom of, but
> really should.  That's the short answer.  More
> below.
> 
> Regarding stability, I try not to work very quickly, i.e.
> push a lot of "buttons" and/or navigate around and enter
> data into control fields very fast for example; and I keep
> my monitor levels down when I am adjusting the parametric
> equalizer function in particular.  Otherwise I
> occasionally get a burst in noise or large gain change that
> could damage my hearing or equipment.  Like  I
> said, I should figure that out, and fix the situation, but I
> do not use the program every day, or even every week, to be
> clear about how often I use it.
> 
> I primarily use the Continuous Noise reduction with good
> success.  I strongly believe that it is also what
> Digidesign offers as their DNR Pro Tools plug-in, based on
> how the similar user interface.  Note that DC6 offers
> more control than the DNR version though.  I haven't
> used a lot of other programs of similar price for any
> extended period of time, and wish I could compare them for
> you.  In the past few weeks two people have recommended
> I check out Izotope RX, which I will do (perhaps you know of
> that or will also check it out it).
> 
> The harmonic noise reduction in DC6 is also something I use
> quite a bit, to get rid of hums and other such noise. 
> I love the degree of control the DC6 software allows
> there.  It is a really valuable tool to me and perhaps
> omething that may distinquish DC6 from other tools (sure
> would like to hear from others about that, though).
> 
> I've always done well with the DC6 decrackle/depop features
> unless there are a lot of changes in dynamics throughout a
> file; which may not be a big issue with 78's (but can be
> with more recent recordings of classical music).  It
> once took me 10 hours to work on a 45 minute piece of music
> for organ and choir, that Cedar Tools for the PC could do in
> less than 3 minutes (I know because I borrowed Cedar Tools
> as a demo and tried it, thinking I might buy it).  I
> had to manually choose 5 to 30 second long regions of audio
> of this or that level range and then apply settings
> optimized for those conditions each time (which I at least
> had stored presets of).  Cedar Tools is much more
> adaptive/automatic.  The package I looked at two years
> ago or so also cost $4000 instead of $200.  If DC6 were
> more adaptive, I could better make use of the batch
> features, which at least allow you to process a number of
> files with the same presets very conveniently.
> 
> With all of this kind of software/hardware, the more
> control you have (unless things are very adaptive like
> Cedar) the better (and even with Cedar I still wished I had
> the option of playing around with some settings they
> obviously don't give you control over - not a lot of knobs
> etc. in that program package).  The process often
> requires trying to find the right balance between too much
> and too little noise reduction, i.e. reducing one form of
> noise/distortion without introducing too much of some other
> resultant form of added noise/distortion.  Hope I'm not
> insulting your intelligence in mentioning that.  I just
> don't know how much of this work you've done
> before.   Cedar tools really blew me away, by
> the way, in how much it did without adverse affects on the
> audio, all automatically.  It is just the engineer
> tweakhead part of my personality that wants to play with
> settings just for more understanding of things I guess (not
> really believing I'd do much better myself than their
> automatic algorithms).
> 
> I found the folks at Tracertek (who sell DC7) pleasant to
> deal with, by the way.   You might ask them
> about software stability for example and make sure they give
> you a money back guarantee if you experience problems. 
> I bet they'd be happy to do that based on their attitude
> when I contacted them to buy the software.
> 
> And by the way, the program has some nifty nonlinear time
> stretching and expansion features that I haven't seen
> elsewhere.  I've used that on an art project that was
> part of an art installation in Copenhagen in 2006. 
> Ironically I used DC6 to severely distort sound in that
> case!
> 
> That's the long answer.  Hope it is helpful.
> 
> Karl
> 
> 
> Jan Myren wrote:
> > HI everybody!
> > 
> > I wonder if any of you have any experience with CD Art
> software for
> > restoring old 78 rpm records.
> > See link:
> > http://www.diamondcut.com/
> > 
> > What do you think about this software program?
> > 
> > Hope to hear comments form any of you, especially if
> you have any real
> > experience!
> > 
> > Regards
> > Jan
> > NORWAY
> >   
> 
> -- 
> Karl Fitzke
> [log in to unmask]
> Assistant Audio Engineer
> Macaulay Library
> Cornell Lab of Ornithology
> 
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