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Re: Colonne CD update

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Steven Smolian <[log in to unmask]>

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Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:26:57 -0400

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Mine is Tahra COL 001. Transfers uncredited.

What is credited as Freischuetz. Intro to Act 2, I've noted is actually the 
Hollander Spinning Chorus., arr. orch.

Steve Smolian


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Smolian" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] The First Symphony Orchestra in the World to Make 
Real Recordings of Classical Music


> P.S.  Somewheere I have a commercial CD of Colonne's records.  I don't 
> know if it's the same or another set of transfers.  The CDs are at home so 
> I'll have to dig 'em out to be sure.  I'll let you know.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Lewis" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] The First Symphony Orchestra in the World to Make 
> Real Recordings of Classical Music
>
>
> Thanks Steve -- all that was great.
>
> David N. "Uncle Dave" Lewis
> Assistant Editor, Classical
>
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>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steven Smolian
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:10 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] The First Symphony Orchestra in the World to
> Make Real Recordings of Classical Music
>
> In an article appearing in Classic Record Collector, I identify the
> first
> orchestra to make commercial cylinder recordings as "The New York
> Symphony
> Orchestra," probaly unde Damrosch, for Harms, Kaiser & Hagen in 1898.
> They
> were advertised in a number of issues of "Phonoscope."  None have yet
> shown
> up, as far as I know.  This orchestra merged with the "New York
> Philharmonic
> Orchestra" in 1928 to become "The New York Philharmonic-Symphony."  This
> has
> become shortened to "New York Philharmonic " but its lineage is as
> above.
>
> In 1901, the Metropolitan Opera House Orchestra recorded for Leeds and
> Catlin led by Nahan Franko.  One of these turned up in Bill can't
> remember-
> he wrote very full postcards-'s collection.  When he died, I have no
> idea
> who got the cyliner.  I have a cassette- somewhere. The advertisement
> for
> these is on the back of an L&C catalog which I no longer own.  It
> includes a
> letter of authentication on Grau's staionery signed by Lionel Mapleson.
>
> In June, 1903, Victor Herbert's Orchestra made 3 12" sides for Victor.
> I
> have two of them.  This is actually the "Pittsburgh Orchestra."  For
> legal
> reasons related to the cloud under which Herbert left Pittsburg, the
> Orchestra denied permission for the use of its name at the Willow Grove
> Concerts that year although the same group appeared there the year
> before as
> the "Pittsburg Orchestra."  I've seen the correspondence confirming this
>
> identification for 1903 at the Carnegie Library in Pittsburgh.
>
> In 1903, August or September, Damrosch's orchestra again recorded, this
> time
> on flat discs for Columbia.  A group were made but only 1208, part of
> the
> Carmen Act 1 Prelude was issued.  Eventually it came doubled as well.
>
> In Europe, the first real orchestra I've been able to identify as
> recording
> is that of La Scala under Sabajno in 1905, possibly a year earlier for
> operatic accompaniments.  A group of the orchestral pieces made in that
> year
> and shortly thereafter came on G&T and some were also issued on Victor.
>
> Later in 1905, Herman Fink recorded in London with the Palace Theater
> Orchestra for Odeon.
>
> In 1905, H. de Breuyne made records with the French Lamoureux Orchstra,
> these for Zonophone.
>
> The Colonne records were made in 1907, as near as I could tell, Pathe
> data
> being an espcially thorny discographic jungle.
>
> Some of the later data is drawn from Claude Arnold's book.
>
> My xerox of the two consecutive articles clip off the issue date.
> Sorry.
> I'll try and get a better citation next week.
>
> I gave this as an ARSC presentation a while ago.
>
> Steve Smolian
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Lewis" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:18 PM
> Subject: [ARSCLIST] The First Symphony Orchestra in the World to Make
> Real
> Recordings of Classical Music
>
>
> David N. "Uncle Dave" Lewis
> Assistant Editor, Classical
>
> Macrovision Solutions Corporation
> 1168 Oak Valley Dr.
>
> Ann Arbor, MI  48108
>
> Tel: 734.887.8145 | Fax: 734.827.2492
> [log in to unmask]
>
> www.macrovision.com
> www.allmusic.com
> www.allmovie.com
> www.allgame.com
>
>
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message (including any attachments)
> is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain
> confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use,
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> recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all
> copies of the original message. Thank you.
>
>
> I am reviewing a 2-disc set of historical recordings by the Orchestre
> Colonne which states that this body was "the first symphony orchestra in
> the world to make a real series of classical recordings." Included are
> some Pathe recordings of the Colonne, under its founder, made in
> 1908-1909.
>
> That's pretty early; I realize the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra was
> recorded, not well and mostly without their knowledge, by Lionel
> Mapleson in 1901-04. But apart from that, was there a full-fledged
> symphony orchestra in the world that committed itself to making
> commercial recordings than the Colonne? Is everyone comfortable with
> that milestone, or are there exceptions? What say ye?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Uncle Dave Lewis
> Ann Arbor MI
> 

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